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gravitonfield
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USA
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Posted - 06/01/2022 :  05:59:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings.
I have a voodoo 4 mac/dvi that I finally got around to flashing for PC. I used the voodoo4 4500 pci 1.18 dvi bios available at:
http://www.tdfx.de/ger/dload_bios_v5.shtml
(same bios available at 3dfxbios.cl-rahden.de).

The card works perfectly in ALL aspects (glide, 2D through VGA port) except for 1 main issue- the DVI output begins to act up beyond a resolution of 800x600. The higher res I go, the more issues crop up. The colors look right though.
- At 1024x768 - the screen may flicker after several seconds, and there are slight reddish artifacts scattered about.
- At 1280x1024, the screen flickers more, the mouse cursor continually flickers and mouse cannot be moved.
- Eventually, at higher resolutions, it crashes.
I've tried several different DVI cables (dual-link, single-link DVI-D) with no difference.
Tried different versions of voodoo drivers (e.g. 1.04.01-beta, 3dhq 1.09 beta10) to no avail.
Ran every graphic card diagnostics software you can think of (memory test etc) which all checks out.

I am thinking either the bios or driver may be the culprit (as early DVI implementations were known to be problematic, see http://www.playtool.com/pages/dvicompat/dvi.html#pixelclock), but cannot confirm.

I suspect the voodoo 4500 PCI w/DVI bios that has circulated around is that of a prototype card. It is labeled as "Voodoo4 4500 LCD" when examining in Tdfx bios editor, something that is almost never seen for voodoo card (not even for v5 5500 dvi). Also as far as I know, only other time "LCD" was mentioned in bios string was prototype voodoo 4500:
http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=377&whichpage=1
(bios screen here https://web.archive.org/web/20031119064033/sloomy.kolayweb.com/DSCN0061.JPG )

As I was hoping to try to keep the card closer to stock bios, I haven't tried that custom v4 dvi bios w/ editor screen (made by Rainbow, version 1.18B04).

I'm wondering if anybody with voodoo 4500 dvi has had similar issue with DVI output? If so any suggestion?
Should I have reason to believe there is a hardware issue in my card?
Thanks in advance.

Glide
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Posted - 08/01/2022 :  17:34:41  Show Profile  Visit Glide's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi gravitonfield,

you're welcome.

I did not have a similar issue, so I cannot offer you a fast solution, if it exists obviously. Your card (hardware and software) can be an engineering sample as well as a production SKU, but your description seems to match above all an hardware issue.

However, we must contextualize: you're trying to migrate a card for Mac on Windows. So, just this task can really create issues.

I see 3dfxzone.it is making available to download a different bios release (v. 1.15). I would try to install that: if issue remains as well, probably the card has really a hardware nature issue. Of course, loading a different BIOS can make your card not working ANYMORE, so I strongly suggest to do it only if this scenario could be acceptable for you ;).

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gravitonfield
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Posted - 10/01/2022 :  00:53:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the advice.
For the voodoo 4500 PCI, I only know of two main bioses for PC that support DVI:
- Version 1.18 which says "Voodoo4 4500 LCD" for bios string
- The custom version 1.18 that was modified by Rainbow (with the built-in editor).

What bios did you use?
V 1.15 does not seem to have DVI.

Edited by - gravitonfield on 10/01/2022 01:19:53
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ciacara
Initiate

Italy


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Posted - 10/01/2022 :  13:16:21  Show Profile  Visit ciacara's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gravitonfield

Thank you for the advice.
For the voodoo 4500 PCI, I only know of two main bioses for PC that support DVI:
- Version 1.18 which says "Voodoo4 4500 LCD" for bios string
- The custom version 1.18 that was modified by Rainbow (with the built-in editor).

What bios did you use?
V 1.15 does not seem to have DVI.



Hello Gravitonic and welcome.
Joining the advice of Glide, whom I warmly greet, I add a question: Have you tried to run the same tests by disabling V-Sync?
The problem should disappear for good.

I am sorry for my English
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gravitonfield
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USA
7 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2022 :  00:44:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for suggestion.

I tried disabling Vsync (using 3dfx tools overclock menu- https://www.philscomputerlab.com/tools-for-voodoo-cards.html )

Unfortunately, no change with the DVI issue.

I have some short clips of issues:
Color Artifacts at 1024x768:
https://youtu.be/0sFW07fYtdM

Mouse flickering at resolution of 1152x864 or 1280x1024 (system often locks up requiring hard reboot).
https://youtu.be/9Lr3IJ8gJUk

By the way tried 16-bit, 256 colors - no difference.

Tried disabling the optimal refresh rate option 3dfx control panel utility- no change.
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ciacara
Initiate

Italy


69 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2022 :  00:28:37  Show Profile  Visit ciacara's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gravitonfield

Thanks for suggestion.

I tried disabling Vsync (using 3dfx tools overclock menu- https://www.philscomputerlab.com/tools-for-voodoo-cards.html )

Unfortunately, no change with the DVI issue.

I have some short clips of issues:
Color Artifacts at 1024x768:
https://youtu.be/0sFW07fYtdM

Mouse flickering at resolution of 1152x864 or 1280x1024 (system often locks up requiring hard reboot).
https://youtu.be/9Lr3IJ8gJUk

By the way tried 16-bit, 256 colors - no difference.

Tried disabling the optimal refresh rate option 3dfx control panel utility- no change.



I watched the videos, this rebus intrigues me....
You should do a clean install of the driver that gave you the least trouble, then install V-Control 1.82b:
http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/news/3dfx/files/v.control_1.82_beta/
From v-control, try again to disable v-sync, and other options that may drain the work of the vsa-100 chip.

Afterwards, you might want to check the operating temperature of the video card, especially the vsa-100, while artifacts are being produced, this could also be related to the errors you see, artifacts and flickering.
Check the back and front of the pcb.

If you have the possibility, since the video card allows it, run tests on a motherboard with pci-x, so you can use the 66 mhz bandwidth.

What I'm going to say sounds stupid, but this could also cause problems: check if the power cables of the pc and monitor have ground connected and working, also in the power socket/multi-plug.

Let me know how it went.

I am sorry for my English
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gravitonfield
Novice

USA
7 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2022 :  23:42:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for input.
I tried playing with all possible options options in V-control: Disabled sync to vertical refresh, disabled z-buff optimization, custom refresh rates.
All still result in same issue.
By the way, all the power cables are grounded in the surge protector.

As we know the artifacts/ flickering gets worse from 16-bit to 32-bit color, and with higher resolution. So it's almost like the more work you give card, the more trouble it has.

Right I'm suspecting more there is hardware issue, specifically something in the DVI circuit. The fact that VGA works perfectly including higher resolution with 32-bit color and Glide should indicate the VSA-100 chip is good, right?

I will plan to test the components around the DVI- maybe something went bad like one of those transistors?
I cannot really find others experiencing issues with the DVI chip SIL164CT64 but I suppose it's possible.

You raise a good point about overheating. I don't have strong reason to believe this but will try to check it out (I wish I had a thermal cam). Also do not have PCI-X to test.
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Backfire
Novice

Germany
1 Posts

Posted - 19/05/2022 :  00:40:50  Show Profile  Visit Backfire's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello dear forum.

This is my first post here :-)

I'm pretty sure it's not a software problem.
The way it looks, and the fact that the failure only occurs on the DVI output, only leads to the conclusion that there is an error within the dedicated DVI circuitry.

This is where troubleshooting should begin.

Many greetings
- Backfire -
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Glide
Web Admin

Napoli


33138 Posts

Posted - 29/05/2022 :  20:41:36  Show Profile  Visit Glide's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Backfire,

you're welcome and many thanks for contribution.

Bye bye

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ciacara
Initiate

Italy


69 Posts

Posted - 29/05/2022 :  22:15:53  Show Profile  Visit ciacara's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Backfire

Hello dear forum.

This is my first post here :-)

Many greetings
- Backfire -




Herr Backfire Willkommen,
I think this creature needs your hands and care.
Let's see if gravitonfield has solved the problem or if he wants to avail himself of your services.

See you.

I am sorry for my English

Edited by - ciacara on 29/05/2022 22:16:36
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