(Hope that this HELPs you... I don't even have the right type of card.

CAN PLAY POP SOT WITH GEFORCE 2 GTS 64 mb ddr

Author:  kamarali  
Rank:  Newbie  
Date:  12/17/03 06:43AM  

I have a athlon 1.4 cpu with 786 mb ddr ram and geforce 2 gts 64 mb ddr

I used 3D analyze 2.31 with these settings
windowed mode (must) can run in 1024*768 in this mode but 800 * 600 is smoother
force z buffer
force sw tnl

everything checked in hardware limits (cap bits)

"ONLY" emulate cube maps checked in hardware limts (features)


And I used vendor ID 4098 device ID 20040

settings in prince of persia

Special effects - low
shadow effects - high
water effects - on
fog - off

In Advanced
Filtering - trilinear
v-sync - enable
texture quality high

Not as great as high end cards but looks quite good...

Hope it solves your problems

https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/tools/3d_analyze/

... Thank you, again, for some very sage advice...

So,,, I am "reversing directions" with my "Silent Hill 3" graphic problems... By asking KONAMI about returning to their non-programmable Vertex and Pixel standards that worked SO WELL with "Silent Hill 2"...

http://www.konami.com/main/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000348

*** To save you some excessive reading... I can, easily, see the main player-character's current position, perfectly, by simply pressing the "Escape Key"... Also, I can hear her moving from one texture-type to another and then I can move, turn and bump into walls with her, etc.)***

(Anyway... Using a slightly lower standard would most likely allow a VAST MAJORITY of computer owners to simply enjoy their "game" and this would be GREAT to continue, onwards, with their "Silent Hill 4" and any other new PC versions.)

Also owners of high-level graphic cards, that are suppose to work BUT DON'T, might be able to bypass their nicer cards and simply PLAY THE GAME with some of their VERY NICE on-board graphic cards?

Ps, KONAMI has had such a terrible time with "Silent Hill 2 and 3" on the PC that this kind of "backwards-compatibility standard", within our VERY DIVERSE "PC Community", should seem more like a "Standard Operating Procedure", SOP, instead of a BIG modification deal...

And, PERHAPS, these different exe's and dll's with some pattern conversion software may be ALL that is needed? Sorry about getting "Off Topic", there, a bit.

... Shogakusha,,, Thank you, very much, for that very insightful view of your 3D card-buying Philosophy...

But, again, I need to concentrate on that "3D-Analyse" software from the "3dfxzone.it", by Tommti Systems...
http://www.tommti-systems.com
thomas@tommti-systems.com


... So,,, Hello to Thomas of tommti-systems !!!

Right now, with some very basic settings within 3D-Analyse, I can actually hear foot steps and then see the main character's final movement, but only when I hit the Escape-key.

And I suspect that I need that "Emulate Cube Maps" option for shader to work? (But when I pick this option then the exe, for "Silent Hill 3", simply fails or blows up?  So, do I need a VOODOO card for this "Emulate Cube Maps" option???

And, also, I might need a lot more documentation about your 3D-Analyse software??? (Right now, without any proper documents, it is difficult to go beyond the very basic options with 3D-Analyse.

(Ps... You only have the "V1.4b2" instead the more detailed "V1.4beta" at your http://www.tommti-systems.com site???)

... Thank you, for your advice, Shogakusha...
(And now, an ATi Radeon 9700 or 9800 Pro seems very tempting.)

And when new high-level "graphic functions" very simular to "Programmable Vertex and Pixel Shaders",,, will I, then, NEED their new (hypothetical) "ATi Radeon 9900 Pro" or whatever

And everyone in the audience yells:

"Heck NO!!!"

"That ATi Pro should serve you for YEARs!!!

(Then THE "Question" becomes: "What is the definition of "YEARs"?

Or,,,
do they sell "insurance" for "YEARs" of graphic card Up-Grades???


... Tiger ...
(Sorry... But my Jest does have an Atom of Truth. Don't you agree?)
To me, a fairly expensive card should serve as a very good piece of solid base-line equipment for the 3D LIFE of a computer system and BEYOND that, even?

"3D-Analyse" Transform and Lighting TnL emulator
for Voodoo, Kypro, Radeon and OTHERs???
https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/tools/emutnl.htm

From the "3dfxzone.it"
and by Tommti Systems...
http://www.tommti-systems.com
thomas@tommti-systems.com

(I hope that I gave the proper respect to their EXCELLENT software?)

... My meager system...
(To get things rolling, down hill, as they say.

2.50 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 in an HP Pavilion 754v
512 MB DDR SDRAM
64  MB "   "     Graphics Ram with an 82845G Intel Card
And OpenGL 1.1 is On Board, already.
DirectX 9.0b

.......................

From the 1980's, a LOT of us have been dreaming about systems like these... (That Intel "3D Card emulation" has a slower bus structure then a current and recognized "3D Graphics Card" like an ATi Radeon or NVidia at 400 to 800MHz, internal.)

BUT, look at that at that 2500 MHz processor at 2 to 3 times their SPEEDs!!!
I would say that the processor needs to be spending some SERIOUS time "emulating" those 3D Cards and then with a "left over" 300 to 500Mhz, easily, running the "object movement and contact" mechanics of ANY 3D game engine!!!

And from the Intel manufacturer, itself, I should have receive something like your "3D-Analyse" software to emulate ANY and ALL of the 3D cards on the Market!!!

True...
DirectX 9 is getting into TnL emulation and other 3D mechanics...
But where is the Intel software to JOIN all of this, together?

I feel like, I am right on the edge of a GREAT CHANGE and no one is listening... "OpenGL" used to be "there"??? BUT, many game manufactures seem to be moving away from supporting them???

PS...
Currently, I am using "3D-Analyse" to stumble thru "Silent Hill 3" and I am having a certain level of "non game-playing success"???

http://www.konami.com/main/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000348

But, at least, I'm trying to help a few members, THERE, with my VERY novice knowledge and findings. (((And I know, in my HEART, that KONAMI is definitely NOT EVEN THERE,,, folks.)))

... Thanks, Amp_Man... (I really do respect your opinion on this.)

But,,, I am still curious about what Thomas of 3D-Analyse and that fellow, who still LOVEs Amiga!!! (I saw the Amiga's birth after the C64 and I will always appreciate its EXCELLENT system-structure. It is a shame that Commodore bought it.

Also, back then, in the mid 1980s we have dreams of TOTALLY PROGRAMMABLE software-based graphics cards with a seperate and very fast processor and LOTs of FAST RAM.)

PS...
Here is another group that is creating their own and better Vertex Programs and some Dreams...
http://www.dronez.com/english/dev_26_march.html
(Ahhhh... the PURITY and SPEED of the Assembly Language!!!

And they are doing all of this high-tech work for only one GAME that they created...
BRAVO Amigos !!! (And one BIG YAWN for KONAMI...
http://www.dronez.com/


So,,, MUCH have changed since the 1980s...
But NOW, perhaps, processors like my 2.5 GHz and LOTs of dedicated or isolated RAM (64M used to be a decent amount?) MIGHT be a BIG help with our current "graphics card emulation" needs???

PS...
I explored the "graphics card game" from VOODOO 1 and up, in the last century.

So,,, IF I buy one of the "very best and current" graphics cards,,,
do you think that I will truly be done with this "graphics card game"???
(According to our PC History,,, I suspect, not

.. Jim ... (Yep... Just call me "Jim" ala "James T. Kirk".)
(And BTW, I probably screwed-up by putting this in your
"Gaming with Voodoos" section... (Sorry)...You may dispose of my "novice noise" and pipe-dreams, here, if you wish?) Because over-all this little dream might extend to ALL of our cards, someday?

... Here is one "Happy Ending" brought to you via "3D-Analyse" !!!
http://www.konami.com/main/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000348

... And one more Dreamer or TWO and their quests, before I go...
http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=111901

(I can't edit my message, above??? So here's some "edits".

That QUAKE 2 mod is called LTK/TBM, "License To Kill/The Borg Matrix", where mSparks, by himself, has re-wrote the entire QUAKE 2 and ACTION mod into a pretty neat FPS combat game with Ninjas and sword-play, even.

Also, I have a very old and loved VOODOO 2 card, but not on this new machine... (Like that old card could, EVEN, begin to help me with this Shader MESS?

And, now, for a REALLY DUMB question...

Should I get ALL of the drivers and dll files for a particular graphics card, that I don't even own??? (I noticed that 3D-Analyze has several very special dat and dll files.)

So,,, could it be that I need "something special", also, to help my very generic Intel card, above??? (See... I warned you that it was going to be PRETTY DUMB.

(Thanks for putting-up with my very novice questions.)

... My very meager PC's over-all specs...
2.50 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 in an HP Pavilion 754v
512 MB DDR SDRAM
64  MB "   "     Graphics Ram with an 82845G Intel Card
((( No ATi or NVidia cards, here.)))
(But I do have a very old and apparently, now, useless Voodoo2.
And OpenGL 1.1 is On Board, already.
DirectX 9.0b
.....................................

(Sorry to bother your Graphic Wizards and 3D Masters, here.
Because I feel TOTALLY out of my league, around you guys.

Well... I have been having some great luck with QUAKE 2 and graphic/game enhancement LTL/TBM...

And also, games like ALICE, Syberia (My Daughter likes getting games for me.) , The Thing, Silent Hill 2 and emulating Silent Hill 1 for the PS2, ALL, ran very well on my puny little system.

But,,, now,,, I can just barely SEE "Silent Hill 3"...
(I have GREAT sound...)
But no movies and no screen clears or refreshes.
And also, I have some "hidden" 3D animations...
But I can hear the foot-steps?
But, I can see only a frame of the changed animation,
ONLY when I press the "Escape key".)

But,,, I would say that "3D-Analyze", version 2.31, is doing an EXCELLENT job with my non-3dfx card!!!

But,,, here I am with my "hat in hand", asking for a little help.

Ps,,, I am trying to talk about this problem at their KONAMI Message board, here, under "Silent Hill"...
http://www.konami.com/main/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

And within the message...
"Please Konami... Help us, PC Owners, at least emulate SH1 !!!".

Plus I have already email their tech support and another site official...  

... There...
And now, you are going to tell me to, please, GO AWAY!!!
And spend $300+ USD for a new ATi 9800 PRO card... Right???