Hello everyone.
I'm a newbie here, and I have a Voodoo5 5500 AGP. I would like to know which is the best motherboard for that card either with an intel processor or an AMD Processor. If you could help me I would be very thankful. Thanks in advance and forgive my english, I'm from Ecuador, South America
hi there~~
you have a AGP3.3V version of voodoo 5 or AGP 1.5V version of voodoo 5?
for the former one, what you can get is only boards based on KT266 (AMD), since all intel P4 products needs an AGP 1.5 card or otherwise it will burn.
for the letter one, almost all boards in the modern market can take it. (except intel 915/925 series since they don't have a AGP slot~~)
it would be nice to get a fast Athlon 64/P4 and use dual channel memory nowadays
Joidrovo; completely ignore secretfj's post. He is totally wrong and giving you info you don't need.
You need to look for a motherboard with a Universal AGP slot.
There are some threads on this forum in which you can find lists of motherboards that work with the Voodoo 5. There are a lot!
Personally I use an ASUS P4S533 with an Intel Pentium 4 2,26GHz.
Check out this image which will give you an idea what you're looking for: http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/12076/full.gif
Take a look at illustration C since that is what you'll be looking for.
hey phalax, are you sure that i am wrong?
i will be very pleased if you put a AGP3.3V card into a modern 865PE/ nForce 2 board and tell me that you can boot up flawlessly~~ because i have an old card that is not AGP 1.5V compilent and i dun have suitable mainboard to use it~~
P.S. for the universal AGP one, you've got a point as a universal AGP is AGP 3.3V/1.5V compilent and it support both cards..but you have to admit that they are harder and harder to find (not to mention old boards that only support single channel as it have no point to install a 800FSB new P4s on these boards and run without dual channel, as you know, the performance hit can be great~~)
that's what i wanna say, more and more mainboard needs a cards support 1.5V AGP, otherwise everything will blow up~~
Okay, you're somewhat right.
Quoteyou have a AGP3.3V version of voodoo 5 or AGP 1.5V version of voodoo 5?
I doubt he has an AGP4x version since these are extremely rare.
Quotefor the former one, what you can get is only boards based on KT266 (AMD), since all intel P4 products needs an AGP 1.5 card or otherwise it will burn.
I already proved you wrong on this one in my previous post :D
Quotefor the letter one, almost all boards in the modern market can take it. (except intel 915/925 series since they don't have a AGP slot~~)
Once again, an AGP4x capable V5 5500 is extremely rare.
Quoteit would be nice to get a fast Athlon 64/P4 and use dual channel memory nowadays
Personally I'd go for an AMD system since AMD's cpu's get you more power. An AthlonXP 2200+ will get you more performance than a P4 2,26GHz.
you are right, i've got a mistake on what chipsets support AGP 2X nowadays..thanks for reminding me
sorry for careless reply and my tone, maybe i haven't expressed it clearly..
this page says exactly what i wanna say..
BTW, i was quite shocked when i hear that modern mainboard ony takes AGP 4X cards...(i only use Celeron 533 and i815e that day), it is quite stupid for me (my graphic blaster~~)
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Thanks for your help, to all of you. I have a Voodoo5 5500 AGP with Bios v1.06 and I believe it's not a 1.5V card. That's why I'm trying to find a good mainboard that could use it.
I have an Abit BX133 RAID and I'm using it with a Pentium III 1.1Ghz and 512MB RAM and it's working fine, but I knew that there were other mainboards that could support the card with higher and more powerful processors.
Does the MSI KT3 Ultra 2 support it?
Yes it does [8D] In fact its the best tested mainboard (for voodoo 5 6000, but ofcourse 5500 will work too)
Thanks for all your help. Is there another mainboard that also supports the V5, maybe on the Intel side?:D
Look around at various motherboard manufacturers sites. They usually have an overview of their products. Look for motherboards with a universal AGP slot.
Frying a 3dfx 3.3V ONLY AGP video card in a motherboard is impossible since the 3.3V only cards don't physically have the extra slot cutout in them, and so they are impossible to put in a motherboard that can't use them.... the old diamond agp cards (and Nvidia chipsets if I remember) DID have the capability of fryage because of the stupid and moronic physical jumper on the video card that had to be moved depending on the AGP voltage you wanted to use on the OLD motherboards that didn't have the automatic voltage scaling.... This was back in the days of the LX MB chipset...... OLD SKOOL.[:p]
QuoteOriginally posted by joidrovo
Thanks for your help, to all of you. I have a Voodoo5 5500 AGP with Bios v1.06 and I believe it's not a 1.5V card. That's why I'm trying to find a good mainboard that could use it.
I have an Abit BX133 RAID and I'm using it with a Pentium III 1.1Ghz and 512MB RAM and it's working fine, but I knew that there were other mainboards that could support the card with higher and more powerful processors.
Does the MSI KT3 Ultra 2 support it?
For AMD there is only one chipset you can have. That will be the KT333. For that is one simple reason. That chipset supports 166 MHz FSB ánd AGP 2x. You can put a Barton 3000+ in that mainboard with a Voodoo 5 5500 AGP if you want.
I have A kt333 too, a MSI KT3 Ultra ARU. That's in fact the same board as the Ultra 2 but an older revision. As you might know the older revisions of the KT333 chipsets have a bug in the southbridge so it cant operate @ 166 MHz, to solve the problem you need the revision 2 mainboards with a KT333 chipset. However my revision 1.x doesn't have that problem.
I'm running a Duron 1600 Flawlessly @ 174 MHz FSB = 2094 MHz. With a Voodoo 5 5500 AGP @ 189 MHz it results in an astonishing 2929 3dmark 2001 points :)
The best mobo for Voodoo5 5500-6000 is MSI K8T Master2
How about Dual Opteron system ? :D
Hi
I use Soyo Dragon Ultra mobo. It runs now in 2.8Ghz(533) Intel cpu, and 333DDR memories. It goes over 3 gigs, but it isn't safety to push v56k too much.. ;)
I had lucky to get this mobo when they were still available in stores..
Regards
Kokohemmo
How about a SOYO SY-KT333 Dragon Ultra. I believe they support AGP 1X/2X do they?. Are they better than the MSI KT3-Ultra 2?
Hi
I'm using the Voodoo5 5500 on the Albatron KX400+ PRO. No problems yet. You can also use any other KT333-Mainboard.
Best regards,
Adrian
Most FSB533 boards should be compatible with 3.3v AGP, I'd say that and a 2 GHz or so CPU would be an optimal match for the Voodoo 5 (ie. beyond that, EVERYTHING should be fill rate limited).
The best mainboard for a Voodoo5 5500 AGP would be an ASUS A7V333-R Rev.1.04 that's the most stable I've had and still have. If You flash it with Bios 1017 you can use a max CPU rating of 3000+ Barton.
For Voodoo4&5 PCI users the MSI K8N Neo Platinum is a very stable and rock solid mobo. My Voodoo5 5500 PCI just found it's new home here for a while. It's a nForce3 250Gb mainboard for the ones that want to know that.
i've got an Epox 8K5A2 with KT333 Chipset, the last Chipset for AMD Athlon XP Processors with AGP 3.3v support...
i run a Athlon XP @2437Mhz... and 512MB RAM
runs all great
Don't buy an Epox board, they are unreliable.
Buy an Asus or Abit board.
Go to thier sites and look for a board that will support AGP 2X
Asus http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/mbindex.htm
Abit http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/
It wiil be hard to find a motherboard that will support AGP 2X now because they are no longer needed, especially Intel chipset boards. You might find a good board on Ebay.
The Soyo board you listed above will support your Voodoo5 AGP.
QuoteOriginally posted by Flash
The best mobo for Voodoo5 5500-6000 is MSI K8T Master2
How about Dual Opteron system ? :D
Well that's not gonna work dude, because that mobo has an AGP x8 Pro slot which is 1.5Volt. AGP x8 isn't compatible with AGP x2 3dfx cards, so you can forget by trying to put a Voodoo5 5500/6000 AGP in it.
A Voodoo5 5000 wil work because it has an AGP x4 conector like the Voodoo4 4500 has.
QuoteOriginally posted by Obi-Wan Kenobi
QuoteOriginally posted by Flash
The best mobo for Voodoo5 5500-6000 is MSI K8T Master2
How about Dual Opteron system ? :D
Well that's not gonna work dude, because that mobo has an AGP x8 Pro slot which is 1.5Volt. AGP x8 isn't compatible with AGP x2 3dfx cards, so you can forget by trying to put a Voodoo5 5500/6000 AGP in it.
A Voodoo5 5000 wil work because it has an AGP x4 conector like the Voodoo4 4500 has.
AFAIK chipset supports 3.3v and it's possible to modify slot and use 2x cards.
V5 5000. Eh... it's waaay harder to find than V5 6K and it's not much faster than 4500.
BTW I have now Chaintech 7VJL (KT333) mobo - works fine w/ 5K5/6K
QuoteOriginally posted by Flash
AFAIK chipset supports 3.3v and it's possible to modify slot and use 2x cards.
Well That isn't possible, because an AGP x8 slot is a reversed AGP x2 slot ;)
here a nice Diagram:
(http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/12076/full.gif)
if you look at Fig. A and C. a AGP x2 card fit's without a problem
Fig.A is AGP x2 and Fig.C is AGP x2/x4 Universal.
Your MSI MS-9230 K8T Master2 FAR has a slot like that if Fig.B, look at this photo carefully:
(http://www.msicomputer.com/product/server/MS-9130_large.jpg)
So you can tell me that a 3.3 Volt card mod could be possible, but there is
now way you can fit a Voodoo5 5500 AGP x2 in your Dual Opteron Mobo.
Regards,
Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Hi, sorry I don't mean to Necromance old thread but I just bought an MSI MSI K7T266 Pro2-A Mobo (for my Voodoo5 5500 of course). The questions are:
- Does it support Althon XP processor higher than 2000+? How about Barton?
- I'm using Windows 98, and I'm mostly playing old titles (better gameplay, you know!) like Total Air War, European Air War, Mig Alley, Crimson Skies, and Jane's USAF. The most recent FPS I would play are things like Deus EX, Arx Fatalis, and Morrowind at most. Will the Mobo sufficient for that purpose?
- I also heard that more than 2GHz is pointless because Windows 98 cannot take more clockspeed than 2GHz, and 3D performance won't increase either because above that speed the Voodoo5 fill rate will become the bottleneck. Is that true?
- How about DOS compatibility with that Mobo? (DOS sound cards etc) The reason I'm asking this is because I will be playing DOS 3dfx games like Jetfighter III or Archimedean Dynasty.
Also, any tips to max out the performance of my Voodoo5 5500 with that Mobo? (particularly to increase FSAA performance). How about overclocking the Voodoo5, the Mobo, or both. Would they be any stability issue?
Thanks.
PS: I'm a belated Voodoo5 newbie. The reason I'm back to Voodoo is because I'd prefer old games due to better gameplay (especially flight-sims). Now I'd be going medieval on myself for stop using Voodoo since Voodoo2, so I would really appreciate any tips regarding to Voodoo5; especially FSAA performance. Thanks again.
Anyone seen or used the Soyo SY-P4I 845PE ISA Motherboard
http://www.baber.com/baber/411/soyo_sy-p4i-845pe-isa.htm
Looks ideal for either AGP or PCI Voodoo5 and caters for Voodoo2SLI as well. Especially for those older titles like EF2000 or JetFigher III, which idealy want an ISA sound card.
I guess my question really comes down to the Intel i845PE chipset.
Anyone had good or bad experiences with it?
Didn't see a modern mobo with slots Isa since "some" time now.
(with Via, the last chipset which supports Isa is the KT133A)
Well, the problem here, is according Soyo, 3.3V AGP card (essentially this means all AGP 1X and AGP 2X cards) are not supported. Only 1.5V AGP cards essentially this means any card that supports AGP 4X or higher) can be used in this mainboard.
But sounds interesting for a V4 4500 Agp or a Voodoo card Pci..
i saw it also here, on Soyo e-store :
http://shop.soyousa.com/customer/product.php?productid=314&cat=&page=
I can highly recommend Epox 8k3a. This mobo :
-is kt333
-with bios update can run on 166 fsb with agp/pci on 66/33
-is stable (not like the dfi crap i've used before epox - ad75)
Im recently get an biostar mobo called M7VIG-PRO D, in order to set up my second PC ( 3dfx PC ) with an voodoo5 5500 AGP.
The problem is that im not 100% sure about the AGP port compatibility.
Will it work ?
Have somebody experience with this board ?
Thanks.
Radu
This is the link to your mobo :
http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/mainboard/board.php?name=M7VIG%20Pro
In the manual (M7VIG-Pro), i see :
AGP Mode
This item allows you to select the AGP Mode.
The Choices: 4X (default), 2X, 1X.
I don't know Agp 1x at 1.5 v.
The best when you will try your mobo is to go immediately in the bios (AGP & P2P Bridge Control) and to start in Agp 1x.
thanks for your quick answer.
So you suggest to start the mb with an agp4x video card, change the agp to 1x in the bios, restart, and only then insert the v5 ?
I belive that the mobo will automaticaly recognize and ajust the voltage ( 3.3V ) for the agp1x.
Radu.
Be safe. ;)
Never tried a Biostar mobo.
I would try with a Voodoo 3 since by default it is a 3.3 volt board.
QuoteOriginally posted by gdonovan
I would try with a Voodoo 3 since by default it is a 3.3 volt board.
Good idea but hope that m14radu owns a Voodoo 3 or he can always try in first an other 3.3v gfx card (except his Voodoo 5).
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SPAMMER
I`ve tested the V5 with the Biostar Mobo, and everything was ok.
Thanks for advice Nightbird !
:)
BTW: have somebody try a V5 on a Dual Pentium2@450MHz Mobo ? I intend to get such one [:p]!
Greetings.
Radu
QuoteOriginally posted by m14radu
I`ve tested the V5 with the Biostar Mobo, and everything was ok.
Thanks for advice Nightbird !
:)
BTW: have somebody try a V5 on a Dual Pentium2@450MHz Mobo ? I intend to get such one [:p]!
Greetings.
Radu
I've tried V5 on a Dual PIII machine, quite a good experience
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman
QuoteHi, sorry I don't mean to Necromance old thread but I just bought an MSI MSI K7T266 Pro2-A Mobo (for my Voodoo5 5500 of course). The questions are:
- Does it support Althon XP processor higher than 2000+? How about Barton?
Take a look at:
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=320&kind=1
*My System*
Athlon XP-M 2800+
Epox 8k5a2+ VIA-KT333
1GB Infineon RAM
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP:D
SFFT Alpa42 + 3dfx-Tools
*My System*:)
Like said some times ago in this tread:
The VIA-KT333 is the last (VIA) Chipset to support 3,3V-only AGP-Graphic-Cards (like Voodoo3 or Voodoo5).
VIA-KT400 and above supports 1,5V AGP-Cards only![:(] (AGP8x-Specification seams to be very difficult [and different])[}:)]
By 3dfx, only Voodoo4 has AGP 4x-support (because of single chip VSA100)[^], bud did it have 1,5V-AGP support?[?]
;)This seams to be 2 different things. 1,5V is the "electrical support" of the graphic-board, AGP 4x is the connection speed of the AGP-Bus to the graphic-board.;)
NVIDIA Nforce2 or above are also 1,5V-AGP only.
!!If somebody has a newer board that runs with 3,3V-AGP Card, please post here!!
i saw somewhere a picture of a dual opteron board that had an agp pro slot. there were no keys that would have prohibited the physical insertion of a 3.3v agp2x device. i'm not certain if it would support the signalling or not.
Can you give me a picture or a link to this board, where you have seen it?
If you remember.:)
*My System*
Athlon XP-M 2800+
Epox 8k5a2+ VIA-KT333
1GB Infineon RAM
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP
SFFT Alpa42 + 3dfx-Tools
*My System*:D
crap in a hat if i can find it. i did try looking for it a while back, but with no success.
if i ever do find it again, i'll be sure to post it here. till then, the search continues, but for all i know it could've been photoshopped out.
I'm looking for motherboard with AGP Universal and Pentium Extreme Edition support. I need it for my Voodoo 5 5500. Does exist something like that?
QuoteOriginally posted by skurczybyczek666
I'm looking for motherboard with AGP Universal and Pentium Extreme Edition support. I need it for my Voodoo 5 5500. Does exist something like that?
I am assuming that you are referring to the Pentium4 EE sock. 478, with NorthWood design and Gallatin core or the newer Prescott...otherwise the answer is
NO without any doubt.
BTW, I think that is not an easy task find a motherboard with AGP universal slot and Pentium4 EE support (even if exist one), because this CPU use a quad pumped bus of 800MHz, while, to my knoledge, the last motherboards with AGP Universal slot suitable for a 3dfx card, supported CPUs (likely 478) operating at 533MHz FSB.
Note: Remember that even a motherboard has an AGP Universal Slot, it does not mean that 3dfx support is guaranteed. Such video cards are AGP 1.0 compliant (1x/2x) so you need a motherboard that can supply 3.3V from the AGP slot. I saw many motherboards with an AGP Universal slot but without any chance to deliver such voltage. It depends from the chipset and bios, so keep this in mind first to buy a motherboard for 3dfx gaming.
Hi,
I have a question.
My Voodoo5 PCI PC, is on it's way to my doorstep.
I have a Pentium Dual Core Computer(Brand New) vacant, waiting for me to play with it.
I also have the money, to get myself an ICore7 Extreme, with Rampage II Asus motherboard. *Chuckle.... overkill*
Before I go spending that money,this is my question.
Will Voodoo5(ancient yet legend card) perform better on ICore7?
The reason why I post this question, is because:-
If you put Voodoo5 onto 486 PC, its playable & fast.
If you put Voodoo5 onto Pentium4/AMD 3.4 Ghz, is very fast or superfast..
what_if you put Voodoo5 onto today's motherboards that have evolved even superior faster than the past...
Can Voodoo5 keep up the latest motherboard/processor/memory speed? Or voodoo5 has been capped?
The reason for this question is, I do not want to spend $$ soo much of money onto getting an ICore7 for Voodoo5, if the performance is about only 1% or unnoticeably or no performance gain, when compared with a Pentium Dual Core.
Has anyone tried Voodoo5 on Quad Core or ICore7?
Does AGP Voodoo5 is better than the PCI version?
Regards,
Risky
QuoteOriginally posted by Risky50
Hi,
I have a question.
My Voodoo5 PCI PC, is on it's way to my doorstep.
I have a Pentium Dual Core Computer(Brand New) vacant, waiting for me to play with it.
I also have the money, to get myself an ICore7 Extreme, with Rampage II Asus motherboard. *Chuckle.... overkill*
Before I go spending that money,this is my question.
Will Voodoo5(ancient yet legend card) perform better on ICore7?
The reason why I post this question, is because:-
If you put Voodoo5 onto 486 PC, its playable & fast.
If you put Voodoo5 onto Pentium4/AMD 3.4 Ghz, is very fast or superfast..
what_if you put Voodoo5 onto today's motherboards that have evolved even superior faster than the past...
Can Voodoo5 keep up the latest motherboard/processor/memory speed? Or voodoo5 has been capped?
The reason for this question is, I do not want to spend $$ soo much of money onto getting an ICore7 for Voodoo5, if the performance is about only 1% or unnoticeably or no performance gain, when compared with a Pentium Dual Core.
You got the answer by yourself. In general, the faster CPU you will get, the more performance boost you will gain, of course. But over a certain threshold, the performance increase will be even lower, 'cause the video card will be the bottle-neck in the system.
QuoteHas anyone tried Voodoo5 on Quad Core or ICore7?
Does AGP Voodoo5 is better than the PCI version?
Regards,
Risky
Someone tried V5 on better system like PentiumD or Athlon64...I do not know if there have been tests on platform like Core2Duo dual/quad core ot the newer ICore7.
Essentially there are no performance differences between AGP and PCI version. You already know, the AGP 1x (1.0) bus, which works at 66MHz, is double of a standard PCI bus working at 33MHz. But both cards are based upon the same PCI66 standard. It means both can work at 66MHz, delivering a bandwidth of 266 MB/s. You can install Voodoo5 5500 PCI in any standard PCI slot (32bit x 33MHz = 133 MB/s). But in order to enjoy the full bandwidth, you must install the card in a motherboard with a PCI-X slot (32bit x 66MHz = 266 MB/s...the same as AGP).
"Essentially there are no performance differences between AGP and PCI version. You already know, the AGP 1x (1.0) bus, which works at 66MHz, is double of a standard PCI bus working at 33MHz. But both cards are based upon the same PCI66 standard. It means both can work at 66MHz, delivering a bandwidth of 266 MB/s. You can install Voodoo5 5500 PCI in any standard PCI slot (32bit x 33MHz = 133 MB/s). But in order to enjoy the full bandwidth, you must install the card in a motherboard with a PCI-X slot (32bit x 66MHz = 266 MB/s...the same as AGP)."
Wow, Lucky you told me this IMPORTANT information! Because, I didn't know that! Well, here is the situation:-
My younger brother gave me a Core2 Duo 3Ghz!
So I have a processor now, I am looking for a mother that have PCI-X. Any Recommendation ?
I randomly pick up this one.. http://www.xpcgear.com/dsbfdesas.html
for example only.
Its an Asus but its a server motherboard. Is this what Im looking for?
How about this ones :
ASUS P5WDG2 WS PROFESSIONAL
or
ASUS P5W64 WS PROFESSIONAL
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f219/asus-p5w64-p5wdg2-ws-professional-intel-i975x-417403.html
Forum is in german, but the pics speak for themselves...
I own the P5WDG2 WS PRO, latest inofficial bios even supports 45nm quadcores. I am very happy with that board.
If you consider to buy one, be sure to get the PRO version, or else you loose Core2Duo support.
Rolo01, well said.
Thank you mate;)
Thanks Bro!
PRO Version huh? I will hunt it in my Local Computer Stores! If I cannot find it, I may have to buy online.
Let me find it. =)
Yo Rolo01, the P5W64 WS Pro do not have PCI-X!
:(
Check it out:-
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=cM2Dh1OFrfOgZG61
Ooops, you are right.
I was confused when looking at the hardwareluxx forum.
Ok, then the P5WDG2 WS Pro is the way to go.
Thanks Bro! =)