Hi to everybody, :D
Well, I would like know what Board for PIII with ChipSet VIA is totally compatible with the V6k?
Regards,
Oscar
I asked Hank the same thing (only one tiny difference) and he says basically the SIS and VIA chipsets should work. But just to be sure ask Rolo01. If im not mistaking he ran his A2.2600 next to a P3 1100.
I think is was an ASUS mainboard.
QuoteI asked Hank the same thing (only one tiny difference) and he says basically the SIS and VIA chipsets should work
Well, I have tried:
MSI MAX REV.2 645DX: Lock Ups!
DFI SIS 645DX: Lock Ups!
GX Board Dual PIII 450MHz: It doesn't want boot up!
My BABY is very,
CAPRICIOUS. Rather, it is very sensitive to the AGP BUS.
Tomorrow will come in a ABIT SA7, I will try it with my v6k. I also will try it with a ASUS P3BF.
QuoteIf im not mistaking he ran his A2.2600 next to a P3 1100.
I think is was an ASUS mainboard.
Yes, Roland has one ASUS P3BF. ;)
Regards,
Oscar
Yes that was the board I meant. Why dont you try that one?
If I accepts P3 1100 Mhz youcan put in a pretty decent CPU
I told Osckhar he can even use a Celeron-1400 ( Tualatin core ) with an adapter on the P3B-F. I tried many boards before I found some that work well with my 6000. The results were posted on the 6000 resource page.
Hi,
Funny thing you, have been asking about PIII. I have been trying to chase down a problem with KT266 PRO. Nothing works under 2K or XP. But when I went to Win98 everything runs stable under 3DHQ B10 driver.
Same hardware, just different OS and driver.
Q3ADemo locks in about 3 seconds, in the same place under timedemo demo001 with all XP and 2k drivers. This happens even under single chip settings.
With Win98 the demo goes all the way through, and Q3A runs over night.
I can see the command fifo is executing an AGP fetch instruction which should not exists and write pointers are right behimd the read pointers or on top. I have seen this ondition under Power PC.
Please can you verify if Win98 is stable with 3DHQ B10 driver on your rig. This is a good data point for me, since I have only KT266 MB.
Hank
Well What I do know is that the VIA Apollo Pro 133A is a very stable chipset in many conditions. The ABiT VP6 is my P3 board of choice, it supports Dual Pentium!!!/EB also, I have it with 2x 1Ghz P!!!/EB 1Ghz and 4x 256MB PC-133 Mircon Crucial, I suppose you could try that one, I dunno what you think about it Hank, the chipset is about the same age as the Voodoo5 6000, so I was think'n out loud hehe.
Friendly Regards
Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Hank,
does it have to be a Pentium 3 ?
If yes, I can run some tests in a week from now, at the moment I only have 2 Pentium-4 PCs at home ( with Win98 ), the Pentium 3 comes back in approx. 1 week.
Hi,
Well, yesterday came in a ABIT SA7. I tried it with the v6k and I got the same mistakes like the others SIS 645DX BOARDS. Anyway, this board is more estable than the others 645DX Boards.
QuotePlease can you verify if Win98 is stable with 3DHQ B10 driver on your rig. This is a good data point for me, since I have only KT266 MB.
I apologize for the dealy, Hank. Well, today came in a MSI KT3 ULTRA REV2. This board is IMPRESSIVE, it is totally stable with the v6k. I have tried the 3DHQ B10 driver under WINXP, and it is very unstable, the 3DMark2001 reboot the PC!
The same thing utilizing 645DX Board and 3DHQ B10 and WinXP!
Regards,
Oscar
Looks like I will have to wade through a bunch of stuff.
KT266 PRO 2x 1GHZ PIII
win98SE - 3DHQ Beta 10 - card runs for ever
wnXP - any driver - Q3ADEMO (timedemo 1, demo demo001) lock ~ 3Sec
win2k - any driver - Q3ADEMO lock ~ 3 seconds
Srverworks chipset 2x 1GHz PIII
Same result as above
V5-5500 runs ok with same drivers set
(Hint bridge might be doing something stupid, since all chips lock in the same way on 6k, checked the read pointers and command fifo registers on each VSA100 chip)
K7S5A rev 5.0 AMD XP2400+
no problems under 2k. I have to check out latest drivers.
Well it looks like a lot of work, I need YOU to check 3DHQ B10 under win98SE, the Glide source is different from win2k/xp.
Hank
Quote(Hint bridge might be doing something stupid, since all chips lock in the same way on 6k, checked the read pointers and command fifo registers on each VSA100 chip)
Hank, any solution?
QuoteWell it looks like a lot of work, I need YOU to check 3DHQ B10 under win98SE, the Glide source is different from win2k/xp.
Well, with the
MSI KT3 ULTRA REV2 and
QuakeIII Arena timedemo 001 (4 pass):
Win98SE and 3DHQ B10: V6k Works very well!
WinXP and 3DHQ B10: No FSAA: Seems to be the v6k works fine. Not LOCKS UP!
2XFSAA: Problems, the v6k has LOCKS UP to the second pass.
Hank, any test more? This driver seems to be very unstable!
Regards,
Oscar
Well a little more on the bug.
everytime I run the Q3ADEMO, FIFO hole counter reports that 4 DWORDS are missing to close the hole.
Magically Hint bridge has 4DWORD Delayed Transaction FIFO. It is possible that the system discards the writes, and locks the system.
I'll try to get rev CC Hint Bridge and see if an undocumented feature slipped into rev B Hint chips :D. The only way to get arround this is to implement Hole Counter interrupt from 6k and recopy the fifo contents to avoid a lock.
That means that the driver would have to keep a local copy of fifo contents, not a long one, and do a move to VSA100 fifo. With PIII it mght be a small performance penalty.
Hank
QuoteOriginally posted by hanksemenec
Well a little more on the bug.
everytime I run the Q3ADEMO, FIFO hole counter reports that 4 DWORDS are missing to close the hole.
Magically Hint bridge has 4DWORD Delayed Transaction FIFO. It is possible that the system discards the writes, and locks the system.
I'll try to get rev CC Hint Bridge and see if an undocumented feature slipped into rev B Hint chips :D. The only way to get arround this is to implement Hole Counter interrupt from 6k and recopy the fifo contents to avoid a lock.
That means that the driver would have to keep a local copy of fifo contents, not a long one, and do a move to VSA100 fifo. With PIII it mght be a small performance penalty.
Hank
[?]these (great) comments/suggestions, can be implemented in currents drivers?
More Tests:
ASUS P3BF v.1.03: V6k doesn't want boot! [xx(]
Regards,
Oscar
Hola Osckhar,
which BIOS did you use on the P3B-F ?
The latest version ( 1.08 ) does not work at all with the V5-6000.
I recommend you look for Bios 1.06, this one enables the high multi that is needed for the Tualatin-Celerons, and works flawless with the 6k. I think I found it on www.asus.com.tw or something.
Hola Roland, :)
Quotewhich BIOS did you use on the P3B-F ?
It has 1.03
QuoteI recommend you look for Bios 1.06, this one enables the high multi that is needed for the Tualatin-Celerons, and works flawless with the 6k.
At the moment I am utilizing a PIII 450MHz. I will try the BIOS 1.06.
Gracias,
Oscar
Well, :D
QDI ADVANCE 10B
ChipSet VIA VT82C694X Apollo PRO133A
AGP: 1x, 2x y 4x
PIII 1GHz
v6k
The system boots well, but the PC has LOCK UP. I have tried the Latest Final Version 1.04.00. 3DMark lock to the 20 sec.[V]
ps. What is the driver more stable for the v6k & Win98SE?
Regards,
Oscar
I have a V5/6000 running in a MSI KT3 ULTRA Mobo. (Thanks Hank, Amigermerlin gave me a duff email address, so I couldn't email you). It is extremely stable, with a very powerfull PSU Antec 550W. 3dMark 2001 runs every time, and all of the games that work on a V5 work fine under Win2k. You need a driver that is stable on W2K/XP and supports the V5/6K properly. I would suggest that you try the SFFT Alpha 22, you might need to add a PnP ID for the V5/6K to the inf file, but it supports the V5/6K properly.
SFFT
Hi SFFT, :)
I also have MSI KT3 ULTRA REV.2 with a BARTON 3000+ and the v6k runs flawless, without problems, the PSU is a LEVICOM 400W. For try v6k stability I prefer to utilize the latest driver from 3Dfx, vers. 01.04.00 under Win98SE.
Perhaps I am not right, but I think that the
v6k rev2 is much more compatible than
v6k rev3700A1. Rolo01 has the rev.2 fixed by V_Man and he has not problem with boards like SA7 or Asus P3BF. As says Hank perhaps the problem is in the CHIP HINT REV utilized.
I will go trying with different boards and I will see the compatibility between the v6k revA1 and boards.
About SFFT alpha 22, I am utilizing it with the v6k and not BLUE SCREEN or REBOOTS. Excellent WORK!!! [8D]
QuoteThanks Hank, Amigermerlin gave me a duff email address, so I couldn't email you).
No problem.
Regards,
Oscar
Hi guys,
Could someone with the problematic mobo+V56K try unchecking the write combining option in the Display Properties dialog -> Settings tab -> Advanced button -> Troubleshoot tab and see if it changes anything? This only applies for win2k or xp.
It would also be wise to eliminate the possibility of bad coding in the SSE optimized rendering path of the Glide3 driver. Use the stable Glide3 driver at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=369&package_id=404&release_id=181712 and set FX_GLIDE_NO_CPU_EXTENSIONS=1.
Hank, does the rev.B Hint chip support delayed transaction FIFO? The rev.CC product brief says it has none.
edit: Checked with PLX and the Hint chip does have 4 dword delayed transaction FIFO. Wonder if the registers are set identical between win9x and win2k/xp.
-KoolSmoky
@KoolSmoky,
QuoteCould someone with the problematic mobo+V56K try unchecking the write combining option in the Display Properties dialog -> Settings tab -> Advanced button -> Troubleshoot tab and see if it changes anything? This only applies for win2k or xp.
BAD NEWS... I have tried the v6k and QDI ADVANCE 10B combining the two options (enable and disable), but I get LOCK UP too!!! [xx(]
Regards,
Oscar
Why do you want to run a 6k with via chipset ? I had several of those via boards (even VP6)and all were much slower than older Intel 440BX boards like P2B-F. about two years ago a friend of mine changed from via to bx which resulted in almost 1000 3D-Mark2000 points more than he had before (Voodoo5 5500).
I also recommend the Intel 840i Chipset when you want to use PIII. The Intel OR840 is the fastest PIII platform and it perfectly accepts the Voodoo5 6000. (haven't tested other 840 boards yet)
More test:
EPOX EP-8K5A2+ Raidcontroller IDE, based in the CHIPTSET KT333.
(Windows XP + SFFT Alpha 28)
It works perfectly with the v6k and It has supports to BARTON 3000+ 333FSB and XP mobile. 100% Recomendable!
Regards,
Oscar