Text only | Text with Images

3dfxzone.it WorldWide Community

3dfx Hardware & Software => Voodoo4/5 Discussions => Topic started by: sloomy on 15 October 2003, 00:42:02

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: sloomy on 15 October 2003, 00:42:02
Hello 3dfxzone.it Community !

(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/sloomy/20031013125459_Voodoo5%205500%20Agp4-1.jpg)
(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/sloomy/2003101312563_Voodoo5%205500%20Agp4-2.jpg)

(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/sloomy/20031013125621_Voodoo5%205500%20Agp4-3.jpg)

Have you any idea, that this VOodoo5 shown in the pictures on AGP 4X works ?( imean with lower voltage , not with 3,3 V) ?

Does anyone form the forum have same or similar card, (there is also the same card with LCD out, but this is pure engineering sample)

Thanks

kind regards


Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: amp_man on 15 October 2003, 03:38:43
that is a voodoo 5 5500. it will not work with AGP 4x, and will therefore not work with the newer 1.5V standard. however, there are constantly threads on discussing possible ways to defeat this, ranging from a 1.5-to-3.3V adapter, an AGP-to-PCI adapter, or possibly adding something to the board itself to make it work. anyways, keep an eye out for threads like that, and for the time being, I hope you have a motherboard that supports 3.3V

EDIT: LCD out was not available on the V5 series cards. however, that you have the potential for something (i.e. the connector above the monitor output) is interesting, as mine does not have that. btw, I have a V5 5500 AGP also.

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(temporarily, for compatibility purposes)|
MSI K7T266Pro2-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: lecram25 on 15 October 2003, 04:27:55
Actually, amp_man, I'm gonna have to own you there buddy. That card is an engineering sample; notice the the extra notch on the agp slot.

QuoteEDIT: LCD out was not available on the V5 series cards. however, that you have the potential for something (i.e. the connector above the monitor output) is interesting, as mine does not have that. btw, I have a V5 5500 AGP also.

All the MAC series of Voodoo 5's had LCD (DVI) out, also, there are a few engineering samples, like his, that were made for PC, that have LCD out...like this one...

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/v5500a.jpeg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/v5500b.jpeg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/v5500c.jpeg)

And here are a few more engineering samples...
Voodoo 4 4500 AGP (almost bought this one off of ebay for dirt cheap):

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4500agp.jpg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4500agp2.jpg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4500agp3.jpg)


And the Voodoo 4 4800 PCI:

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4800aMedium.jpeg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4800bMedium.jpeg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4800cMedium.jpeg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4800dMedium.jpeg)

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: lecram25 on 15 October 2003, 04:31:47
To answer sloomy's question, yes, it will work in newer motherboards...but don't quote me on that...wait untill Mr. Semenec, and/or Bloodworm reply...

EDIT: * my spelling varies from time to time *

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: sloomy on 15 October 2003, 09:38:18
thanks for Qiuck replys and espec. @ lecram25 for exccellent pictures :)

I have also eventuell an VOodoo4 4500 PCI with this Bios Screen

(http://sloomy.kolayweb.com/DSCN0061.JPG)

this is the card:

(//../public/uploaded/sloomy/2003101593216_DSCN0101.JPG)
(//../public/uploaded/sloomy/200310159330_DSCN0103.JPG)

Would that mean, that i have a Voodoo4 4500 PCi engineering sample for PC ? Or VOodoo Mac Versions can also show its Bios on a normal PC  ? Because after this BIos, i don't get any picture on my screen, until after 7 minutes or so this picture is showing


(http://sloomy.kolayweb.com/DSCN0065.JPG)
for 5 seconds than again nothing more  ?


Thanks for your answers and ideas

regards

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: vykupitel on 15 October 2003, 12:56:24
No, MAC version have different BIOS. They not show on PC. You must flash them with normal BIOS for V5. Look at Stanto`s page.

Does anybody here have this version V5 with AGP4x? I definitely need BIOS from that baby. I have VoodooMAC and I`d like to activate DVI output.

AthlonXP 2100+@2700+, 256MB PC266@333 RAM,MSI MS-746F Ultra,
Voodoo5 MAC PCI + Voodoo5 6000 rev. 3700 A
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: lecram25 on 15 October 2003, 20:37:34
vykupitel, maybe you should ask sloomy to dump the bios for you?

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: sloomy on 15 October 2003, 21:15:47
Have the Voodoo4 4500 and Voodoo5 5500 the same Bioses ? IF yes i have dumped the bios of this VOodoo4 4500 LCd and can send to your e mail ..

What about my questions over there ?

cheers

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: bloodworm on 15 October 2003, 23:08:23
looks like it will work in a 1.5V agp slot to me.  the extra slot in the AGP connector is the tip off here.  looks like a MAC V5 or a V5 5000 though.  the 5000 only has 32MB of ram total but will work in a 1.5V slot.
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: sloomy on 15 October 2003, 23:35:25
How can you be sure ? I don't want to harm the card!! and of course also my system :)
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: lecram25 on 16 October 2003, 01:22:37
Well like Bloodworm said, the extra notch.

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: amp_man on 16 October 2003, 02:37:31
@lecram, I must agree (and admit defeat, this time), I failed to notice the extra notch in the AGP connector, which if I had been thinking I would have noticed after seeing the DVI connector area.
@sloomy, re: the V4 4500 PCI, do you have the "VGA palette snoop" option turned on in the BIOS? I have seen a similar problem caused by this.

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(temporarily, for compatibility purposes)|
MSI K7T266Pro2-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: beta on 16 October 2003, 02:37:42
The images in the first post show the Voodoo 5500 AGP 2.0 1.5/3.3V with universal edge connection.  That PCB is the direct counterpart to the standard Voodoo 4 4500 AGP.  It is The PCB that the Voodoo 5 should have had.  It will still only run as a PCI 66 device though.  It also facilitates LCD though the package is not installed unlike in the third post where the bracket has been removed and a LCD package soldered in place.

V5 5500 & V4 4500 sys' ~ Mandrake Linux 9.1
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: amp_man on 16 October 2003, 03:30:55
QuoteOriginally posted by beta

The images in the first post show the Voodoo 5500 AGP 2.0 1.5/3.3V with universal edge connection.  That PCB is the direct counterpart to the standard Voodoo 4 4500 AGP.  It is The PCB that the Voodoo 5 should have had.  It will still only run as a PCI 66 device though.  It also facilitates LCD though the package is not installed unlike in the third post where the bracket has been removed and a LCD package soldered in place.

V5 5500 & V4 4500 sys' ~ Mandrake Linux 9.1

cool beans! in other words, the V5 (except for the MAC, forgot to include that, oops) was not available with the DVI connector, it had to be added. and, as I stated before, AGP 4x will not work, or at least if it does will have damn near no effect. i guess the only thing you corrected me about was the 1.5V support. sorry lecram, you know how much I hate to argue with you ;)

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(temporarily, for compatibility purposes)|
MSI K7T266Pro2-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: beta on 16 October 2003, 04:00:00
QuoteOriginally posted by amp_man


cool beans! in other words, the V5 (except for the MAC, forgot to include that, oops) was not available with the DVI connector, it had to be added. and, as I stated before, AGP 4x will not work, or at least if it does will have damn near no effect. i guess the only thing you corrected me about was the 1.5V support. sorry lecram, you know how much I hate to argue with you ;)

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Partly correct, the 2x and 4x AGP rates don't function on the VSA-100 SLI config in general as it does not have a bridge controller, that is whatever signalling is used.

The DVI connector does not even have a location for installation on the 3.3V AGP 1.0 Dual SLI PCB, but on the one in the first post (1.5/3.3V AGP Universal 2.0 Dual SLI PCB) it does, just like the Voodoo 4 4500 AGP PCB, which also has a location for an S-Video package in addition.

V5 5500 & V4 4500 sys' ~ Mandrake Linux 9.1
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: Rolo01 on 16 October 2003, 09:48:17
Ok, lets get this straight.
I have a V5-5000 that looks like the 5500 shown above, it has the AGP 4x notch but is missing the DVI port.
Can I really put this baby into a 1.5V only AGP slot ?
I remember some old cards ( like Riva TNT or Savage ) having that notch but they were true 3.3V cards...
The last thing I want is to blow up that V5 and/or my mainboard...
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: amp_man on 16 October 2003, 20:44:57
does it have the place to install a DVI connector, i.e. the sodier points? if so, it is just like sloomy's, and if not it still should work (although you might wait for someone else to second this), in the 1.5V slot. i think the Savage and i know the TNT was an nVidia card, that should explain it...

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(temporarily, for compatibility purposes)|
MSI K7T266Pro2-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: Hiero on 16 October 2003, 21:41:58
Although many Voodoo cards (including the V4 4500) have these notches, non of them will actually run with 1,5V. They will be destroyed, so don't even try it.
Obviously many of these engeneering samples were sold; There was a Voodoo5 5500 AGP DVI on ebay and the seller simply found it in his computer. That's the same thing with the 5000. Probably many people do have such an oem card in their pc without even knowing what some people would pay for it. @ Rolo: Where did you get your 5000 from ?

< We`ll change the face of 3D graphics... again > 3dfx
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: bloodworm on 16 October 2003, 22:28:09
hiero knows nothing.  the V4 IS a true 1.5V/3.3V card and will work in both types of slots with no damage.  the VSA-100 already IS a 1.5V capable part.  It is just that the MOTHERBOARDS AGP slot will not support the dual VSA-100 chips interface (without a bridge to negotiate) and so is gimped down to 1x/2x PCI66 no matter how hard you try......   BUT the V5/V4 cards with the extra slot WILL work in a 1.5V AGP board without a problem..... the older TNT type cards refered to before all had a set of physical jumpers to configure the card for 3.3V or 1.5V (but not both) and really WOULD dammage a board if not configured right.
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: Rolo01 on 16 October 2003, 22:39:39
I checked again, but my V5-5000 has no soldering points for a DVI output.
I bought this card from Boingball, a user at the x3dfx forum.
He got it directly from Reid as a gift...
I guess it could be an engineering sample, as there is the obvious NOT FOR RESALE sticker on the back...
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: amp_man on 17 October 2003, 03:26:57
okay, a fourth opinion? it appears the second and third conflict. anyone know if this card works @1.5V? (lecram you can jump in any time now, you prolly know better than i do)

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(temporarily, for compatibility purposes)|
MSI K7T266Pro2-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: Nightbird on 17 October 2003, 03:56:41
@Hiero
the 3Dfx V4 4500 is a true card 1.5v/3.3v, verify in the bios of your mobo...
the problem can be the PowerColor 4500 TV : i own this card and this is a 3.3v, agp 2x

@Rolo01
i own a 5000 agp (2*16 mo sgram in sli) and this card runs like a 3.3v, agp 2x


__________________________________________________

Network powered by 3Dfx and AMD
__________________________________________________

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: Knuckles on 17 October 2003, 04:55:30
guys, I'm ready to exchange my almost new Voodoo 5 5500 PCI for a Voodoo 4 PCI with TV-out if anyone interested ;) but still, a V4 with tv-out is great!

btw, my V5 pci have the places to put the DVI on it, is there any ways to add it (by someone)?
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: beta on 17 October 2003, 05:28:15
No the 1.5V key as well as the 3.3V key indicates AGP Universal 2.0.  I have never seen this problem where you plug in the Voodoo5 and your mobo goes into meltdown.  The slot will simply not allow you to istall the card.  The only exception being the AGP Pro slots hwere people have somehow manged to install none pro cards incorrectly!?  Hence the yellow warning label on Pro slots.

Anyone exchanging a Voodoo5 for a Voodoo4 is making a terrible mistake.  I have both cards and I can tell you the Voodoo4 is a complete con.  And was never worth the money.

Only the AGP Universal Voodoo4 and 5 PCB's have soldering points for DVI or S-Video.

V5 5500 & V4 4500 sys' ~ Mandrake Linux 9.1
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: amp_man on 17 October 2003, 05:47:13
QuoteOriginally posted by beta

Only the AGP Universal Voodoo4 and 5 PCB's have soldering points for DVI or S-Video.

Should all the AGP universal V4/5 PCBs have DVI sodiering points? it sounds like his doesn't, but is universal

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(temporarily, for compatibility purposes)|
MSI K7T266Pro2-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: hanksemenec on 17 October 2003, 16:37:37
Yes the notch means that 1.5V support is there. No, the card will not be destroyed when plugged into 4X only system. The IO voltage is sparated from 3.3V and takes VVDQ from the slot (3.3V or 1.5V).

Mainly, V4 does run AGP 4X protocol, that is the only one! If the card is notched with 1.5V key then it will run.

Hank
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: cosworth6k on 17 October 2003, 20:19:04
QuoteOriginally posted by hanksemenec

Yes the notch means that 1.5V support is there. No, the card will not be destroyed when plugged into 4X only system. The IO voltage is sparated from 3.3V and takes VVDQ from the slot (3.3V or 1.5V).

Mainly, V4 does run AGP 4X protocol, that is the only one! If the card is notched with 1.5V key then it will run.

Hank

Thanks for reply!!

Abit nf7-s revision2 barton 3200+ 1 gb ddr 400 voodoo5 6000 agp-pci pioneer a06
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: sloomy on 18 October 2003, 01:10:38
that means the card from  Rolo01 and my Voodoo5 will work on Intel i845pe chip motherboard from Dell,isn't it  ?

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: stupidwolf on 15 November 2003, 10:36:46
Hi, i got a card like yours. But my card is for MAC.
Can u send me your bios? I wanna to flash it as for PC.....
My email is is00zzp@hotmail.com


QuoteOriginally posted by sloomy

thanks for Qiuck replys and espec. @ lecram25 for exccellent pictures :)

I have also eventuell an VOodoo4 4500 PCI with this Bios Screen

(http://sloomy.kolayweb.com/DSCN0061.JPG)

this is the card:

(//../public/uploaded/sloomy/2003101593216_DSCN0101.JPG)
(//../public/uploaded/sloomy/200310159330_DSCN0103.JPG)

Would that mean, that i have a Voodoo4 4500 PCi engineering sample for PC ? Or VOodoo Mac Versions can also show its Bios on a normal PC  ? Because after this BIos, i don't get any picture on my screen, until after 7 minutes or so this picture is showing


(http://sloomy.kolayweb.com/DSCN0065.JPG)
for 5 seconds than again nothing more  ?


Thanks for your answers and ideas

regards


Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: hanksemenec on 15 November 2003, 10:53:14
Hi,

This is a prototype, never sold. It was keyed for 1.5V slot and it should operate in new motherboards.

Hank
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: Obi-Wan Kenobi on 15 November 2003, 12:50:56
QuoteOriginally posted by hanksemenec

Hi,

This is a prototype, never sold. It was keyed for 1.5V slot and it should operate in new motherboards.

Hank

Like the PCI versions of the  Voodoo3 2000, 3000 Voodoo4 4500, Voodoo5 5000 and 5500 already are?

These cards are also keyed at 1.5V for newer Mobo's are they not?.

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: sloomy on 15 November 2003, 13:02:15
Thank you HanK !!

Yes, the card realy works on newer Motherboards. And powerstrip says, it is working  @ AGP 4X !! I will add some pictures later..

Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: hanksemenec on 15 November 2003, 16:01:33
Hi Obi-Wan

PCI has no 1.5V key, it is 3.3V or 5V key. When both keys are cut on the PCI card, the card is universal PCI.

Hank
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: Obi-Wan Kenobi on 15 November 2003, 20:25:18
QuoteOriginally posted by hanksemenec

Hi Obi-Wan

PCI has no 1.5V key, it is 3.3V or 5V key. When both keys are cut on the PCI card, the card is universal PCI.

Hank

Thank you Hank for your great info on this one!!!

If hear altot of amazing things about you around here and at the Voodoo5 6000 Resource Group...You are a real 3dfx God!!!!

The Force is strong in you I Know for sure!!!!

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: sloomy on 16 November 2003, 00:10:34
Here you are, the proof pictures of the running on INtel i845 PE motherboard.

Download Attachment: (https://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/images/icon_paperclip.gif) desktop.JPG (https://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/../public/uploaded/sloomy/20031115235443_desktop.JPG)
135.07 KB

Download Attachment: (https://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/images/icon_paperclip.gif) Powerstrip.JPG (https://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/../public/uploaded/sloomy/200311160936_Powerstrip.JPG)
65.41 KB

cheers
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: osckhar on 17 October 2005, 19:31:39
Hi,
Is there any difference between A1 and A2 rev. card? Sloomy's V5 5500 AGP4x rev1 is showed with AGP4x capabilities, but my V5 5500 AGP4x revA2 is showed with AGP2x rate though.

Sloomy's Card:
(https://www.3dfxzone.it/public/uploaded/sloomy/200311160936_Powerstrip.JPG)

osckhar's Card:
(http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/PROTOTIPOS/V5_AGP4x_POWERSTRIP.jpg)

Oscar
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: bloodworm on 17 October 2005, 21:13:20
osckhar,

looks like your aperature is too small for 4x.  some motherboards will gimp down the throttle depending on the aperature size you set in the BIOS.  also, is the jumper (zero ohm resistor) installed on the first or second pin of the AGP port on the card on both?
Title: What is this Voodoo5 ? Agp 4x Support ?
Post by: osckhar on 18 October 2005, 04:12:09
@bloodworm,
I have tried my different V5 agp4X with the multimeter and I have obtained:

V5 5500 AGP4x
Rev A2 3300
Multimeter= 58.9


V5 5500 AGP4x DVI
Rev A2 3300
Multimeter= 58.7

V5 5500 AGP4x (died)
Rev A2 3300
Multimeter = 56.6

Multimeter  1= 3.3V
Multimeter  0= 1.5V

Oscar
Text only | Text with Images