Hello everyone,
I've just started a site about 3dfx. Here you can find a lot more about the history of 3dfx and some more details on the cards they've made. But it's not nearly as finished as I want it to be. So what I wanted to ask is if you guys want to give me comments on how to improve the site. Comments on the information, pictures, links, layout etc. Just contact me if you have any suggestions by clicking on Contact on http://3dfx.i-cey.net. Thanx!:)
its nice,but definately needs lot of work.there is a lot of incorrect information in the history.I can help you with that-if you want,send me a pm.
Well check your email, i've just send a message. Thank you for offering your help, I appreciate it a lot!
One hint for the "Future products" section :
The rampage was NOT part of the voodoo line of cards. It was the first card of the spectre line. So Voodoo Rampage AGP is not correct, better write 3dfx Rampage AGP, or Spectre 1000 AGP.
Thank you rolo01!
I didn't know that, I will change it immediately:D
Im happy today, because google is indexing my site as we speak. If you search in google "the alter of 3dfx" , you'll find my site 3rd on the list. Anyway, thanks! Comments are always welcome!
Greetings, Bas
Your names can be found under Contact, under "WITH SPECIAL THANKS TO", so everyone knows you guys helped building this site. With greetings, Bas:)
SPECTER was an internal name. If you remember James Bond, the you know what it stands for [:p]
Offical Product name was not assigned to Rampage boards.
Hank
So one question, Why or How "Rampage" ? :)
Nightbird, what do you mean? I'm not that good in English. Greetings, Bas Kapteijn
Since Rolo01 said "The Rampage was NOT part of the voodoo line of cards. It was the first card of the spectre line" and hanksemenec said "Offical Product name was not assigned to Rampage boards", why this name "Rampage", who named the Card "Rampage" ? Is it a "special" meaning for this name ?
Well I guess that Rampage is a codename like Napalm(Vsa 100) and Daytona(Vsa 101). Spectre is what 3dfx wanted to call the line of cards when they would have been released. At least, that's it for as far as I know.
Rampage is a code name for the chip. Habanero was it's predecessor (RAMPY with 256 bit DDR memory bus).
SAGE is a code name for the chip (lead engineer "Captain Inverter")
SPECTER is a code name for the board (SPecial Executive for Control, Terrorism, Extortion, and Revenge.) Name was picked by the boards designer [:p] "Brian a.k.a. Crap With Legs"
Hank a.k.a. FUBAR or Crap with Hands
:D
Allright, so all the chips of the time get the name rampage, sage etc. The board name is spectre. I'll see if I need to change anything on my site about that. Greetings, Bas Kapteijn
edit: Allright I've changed the name Spectre Rampage on my site in Spectre (rampage) and Spectre 1000 / 2000 etc. That might be more correct. Thank you hank sematic and the rest of you guys! :)
Off Topic: hanksemenec and Nightbird, I send you friendly greetings ;)
Good prosecution to all.
Bye bye
Bas, you seem to be missing the VoodooTV FM and the DesktopTV/FM
Also, there's a V3 with HW T&L if I'm not mistaking, saw it somewhere, will look it up later today.
Velocity 200 is a prototype, never got sold as retail.
Did you get some of the info from the 3dfx topic @ GoT?
Most of the info in there is outdated, I'm in the proces of designing a new topic for it.
(<<< === NitroX infinity)
hi,
I found an error in your website: under the section products/voodoo3/v3 3000 you wrote Voodoo 3™ 2000 specifications
@ baskapteijn
I own the VoodooTV 100, VoodooTV 200, VoodooTV FM and the DesktopTV/FM with their boxes.
If you need some pictures, no problem, ask.
edit : don't forgot, the MacWorld also
Thank you, all of you guys. I appreciate all this a lot! By the way, nightbird, if you would like to make some clear back and front shots of those cards, I would appreciate that! I am missing the picture of the Voodoo tv 200 Card (and maybe you could do the others too!)I found out that I used the voodoo fm picture for the voodoo tv 200 :s , so i guess your help is very welcome! And jeah, I got some info from GOT (dutch), but some things are not right. And a Voodoo 3 T&L? If you guys have some info about that card, please let me know! Greetings, Bas Kapteijn (ps, all your names are mentioned now @ 3dfx altar)
QuoteOriginally posted by hanksemenec
Rampage is a code name for the chip. Habanero was it's predecessor (RAMPY with 256 bit DDR memory bus).
SAGE is a code name for the chip (lead engineer "Captain Inverter")
SPECTER is a code name for the board (SPecial Executive for Control, Terrorism, Extortion, and Revenge.) Name was picked by the boards designer [:p] "Brian a.k.a. Crap With Legs"
Hank a.k.a. FUBAR or Crap with Hands
:D
very nice info Hank :) but it's still alittle confusing, where would the name VSA-200 come in it's place then? For Ramapge or Habanero?
Guys, I can't find any information on the Desktop Tv/Fm. And by the way, the Voodoo tv and Voodoo tv/fm are the Voodoo Tv 100 and Voodoo tv 200 for as far as I know. But that still leaves me questioning what the Desktop Tv/Fm is?! Greetings , Bas (does anyone have some info?) (ps , NitroX infinity, you said your going to renew the got topic. Would you like to add my site to your links @ 3dfx got?)
hi,
in the voodoo3 page you wrote Voodoo3™ 2000 AGP but your photo shows a voodoo3 PCI
i found this picture on the web:
http://www.linux-magazin.de/Artikel/ausgabe/1999/09/Graphikkarten/pic_voodoo3.gif
Thank you Benna, i've seen what you mean. But I solved it a little bit different. If I'm not mistaking, the voodoo 3 series cards were brought to the market in both pci and agp. For all voodoo 3. So i changed the names from agp to agp/pci. No need to change a picture anymore. But thanks again! :D
Review DesktopTV FM:
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=336&catid=2
Preview VoodooTV cards:
http://www.slcentral.com/articles/00/10/voodootv/
Review VoodooTV 200:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/video/voodoo_tv_200/
Another Review VoodooTV 200:
http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/voodootv.htm
To my knowledge, only the V3 2000 and V3 3000 were released in both PCI and AGP. The V3 1000 and 3500 (And Velocity) were strictly AGP.
QuoteThe V3 1000 and 3500 (And Velocity) were strictly AGP.
Just a note- Powercolor *may* have made a 3500 PCI board, I'm still looking into it.
there are 2 version of voodoo4 4200:
agp version with 32mb ddr,
pci version with 16mb ddr.
you forgot voodoo5 5500pci and mac edition
- IBM Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 16MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI/TV out*
* Questioning this card's existence.
There are two Napalm versions (AGP/PCI) which have DVI & TV out.
Might have confused the AGP version for this one?
Wow guys, there's so much information! Haha, im going to work on it next week. This week I had some sad things, like the funerall of my girlfriends granddad. So, when school begins again in the Netherlands, i will continue with my site. You guys really rock for givin'me this much information!
I've already changed the voodoo 3 agp/pci things. Thanx!
(ps , can any of you guys that have a STB/3dfx desktop tv card, make some frontal pictures? Preferably with a white background. Thx!)
You will get all you need. ;)
Thx Nightbird :>
:D
Yo guys, i've made the changes you guys have given me on my website. Desktop Fm is now a part of the website. Any more suggestions?
QuoteAny more suggestions?
yes :D
the V5 5000 Agp
the MacWorld : the V4 4500 Mac is different from the V4 4500 PC, the Voodoo 1 VillageTronics, the Voodoo 2 for IMac..
I'll change it this afternoon probably, cuz im going to swim now with a friend of mine. Thx Nightbird!
voodoo5 5500 PCI pc edition
i heard there was produced a v3 3500 without TV (from IBM) and a v3 3500 with core clock and ram clock at 200mhz with active cooling
If I'm not mistaking, there are eight different V3 3500's.
3dfx Voodoo 3 3500 TV/FM AGP 350MHz 183MHz 16MB SDRAM D-Sub/TV Tuner NTSC
3dfx Voodoo 3 3500 TV AGP 350MHz 183MHz 16MB SDRAM D-Sub/TV Tuner PAL
Compaq Voodoo 3 3500 AGP 350MHz 183MHz 16MB SDRAM D-Sub/TV out
Compaq Voodoo 3 3500 AGP 350MHz 183MHz 16MB SDRAM D-Sub/DVI/TV out
Falcon Northwest Voodoo 3 3500 SE AGP 350MHz 200MHz 16MB SDRAM D-Sub
PowerColor EvilKing 3 Pro AGP 350MHz 183MHz 16MB SDRAM D-Sub
PowerColor EvilKing 3 Pro AGP 350MHz 183MHz 16MB SDRAM D-Sub/TV out
Village Tronic MP960 PCI MAC 350MHz 183MHz 16MB SGRAM D-Sub/TV out
Hey guys. Thx for all the info. Im still working on the site, putting some screenshots on it and stuff. I would like to ask to only give me information about 3dfx reference designs. 3rd party cards differ a lot, and i just can't put them all on my site. reference cards are the most important. Thx ya'll
you should at least list them in text..... pics could always be added later via a hyperlink? keep up the good fight.......
You may be right about that one. I will look at it soon. Thx
edit: I've placed all versions in the voodoo 3 3500 text. When all information is done about the cards, i'll update the roadmap. Does anyone have other card version info about the other voodoo cards? (1,2,3 , banshee etc)
http://www.3dfx.cz/3dfx.htm
http://members.home.nl/markhuizing/voodoos.xls (MS Excel file)
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:2b1FLAzmbKkJ:members.home.nl/markhuizing/voodoos.xls (Same as above but thanks to Google in html)
QuoteOriginally posted by baskapteijn
And a Voodoo 3 T&L? If you guys have some info about that card, please let me know!
Well, this is it:
Image Insert:(https://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/../public/uploaded/omega_supreme/2005512192755_200410917583_V3_G.jpg)
61.53 KBFor any real information you need Hank. He is probably the only one that knows something about it. So lets hope he has some free time and tell you some more if he passed by here :)
Wow! I didn't know it really existed! I hope hank has some info on it, it's great to see this card for real! This will make some good info on my site, thx!
[edit] I've just send hanksemenec an email. Hopefully we'll hear from him soon! Thx [/edit]
I've just added some great pictures I found. You can find them under Other, Pictures. Reminds me of my great Helios Voodoo Graphics (:D i loved that card!). And i've managed to get my page linked on http://hardware.pagina.nl :) Anyways, still waiting for hank, but no rush.
My two favourite glide supported games are missing:
Turok - Dinosaur Hunter
Turok 2 - Seeds of Evil
I hope you can give them a nice place in your list ;)
Done! Your games are added below the list :) Thx for the info
Humpf. To bad hanksemenec is to busy to provide me with info about the voodoo 3 tl :( Would be nice to have the info. But well :)
HL² its an D3D game, not OgL...
from ur site:
QuoteThere's one game made after 2002, thats Hover Ace(2003)
"Hover ACE" was released in the 2k3, but doesn't support Glide, this game needs a full dx8 video card.
(http://www.iespana.es/serchmx/hover-ace.jpg)
Page: http://www.strategyfirst.com/scripts/Redir.asp?iGameID=101&sLanguageCode=EN
But.....
Exist a old game called "HoveRACE" that was maded in 1999, and this game have Glide support...
(http://www.iespana.es/serchmx/hoverace.jpg)
Page: http://russobit-m.ru/eng/games/hoverace/
Look like this game are similar, maded by the same developer, but have different HW support...
Just doing a little and carefully google search.. it's confusing...
Thx guys, ill change things immediately. Keep the comments comming, I need some more inspiration, i don't know what is most important to do right now on my site...
Hello guys, I have a question for the Voodoo 4 owners. Does anyone of you guys own a voodoo 4 4000 card? If yes, is there anyone with pictures of this card to add to my site? The best picture I could find was this one :
http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/37934/full.jpg
But that's some ugly picture. I need a picture with good quality and at least 400 pix width.
It's speculated that there are only two of these.
And for some reason their owners keep quiet.
This is probably the best image you're gonna get for the 4000.
Well that's a bummer. A well! Does anyone know what is still missin'on my site? I want to add more info, and there'll probably be more info, but what would that be... Idea's are welcome!
Hey guys, the link works now! www.3dfx-altar.com! Anyways, don't you guys have any ideas for my site and it's contents?
"Napalm would have been unable to compete with GeForce, so it was redesigned to support multiple chip configurations, like the Voodoo 2 had. The end-product was named VSA-100, which stood for Voodoo Scalable Architecture."
1) This is incorrect as the VSA-100 chips were designed from day one for SLI operation.
2) The Voodoo 3 can be operated in multi-chip configuration as well, see AAlchemy 4116.
3) What hurt 3dfx the most was missing the product cycles and not releasing product on time, this let ATI and Nv catch up, then pass 3dfx in performance.
"The Voodoo 5 6000 never got to the market, due to a severe bug resulting in data corruption on the AGP bus on certain boards"
No, it had a problem with signal noise on the internal PCI bus caused by a PCB design flaw.
"limited to AGP 2x, which would have prevented its use on the then-new Pentium 4 motherboards"
The AGP modes has little to do with it, the 5500 and 6000 require 3.3 volts on the AGP supply and the Intel P4 chipsets only supply 1.5 volts. Intel could have choosen to design the chipset with 3.3 volts support (as AMD did up to the VIA KT-333a) but did not.
"Voodoo 4 was as much of a disaster as Voodoo Rush"
The only problem with the Voodoo 4 was it was pitted against the GFMX2 which had a much better price/performance ratio. The Rush had high performance expectations (in reality it performed 10% worse then Voodoo Graphics, which was still was better then many other solutions!) and some software incompatibilities. If you read the press reviews at the time the board was mocked for it's poor "2D" performance which is rather quaint since no one cares about "2D performance" anymore.
You mention Rampage too as the next product, while Rampage was important the real important product was DAYTONA. Daytona fixed several problems with Napalm and was made on a smaller micron die process. 3dfx had plans for making single, double and quad chip boards using Daytona and the chip would run 143-180 mhz with ease with no active cooling required.
Daytona boards have been noted being clocked as high as 260+ mhz, but that is a story for another day ;-)
QuoteOriginally posted by gdonovan
"Napalm would have been unable to compete with GeForce, so it was redesigned to support multiple chip configurations, like the Voodoo 2 had. The end-product was named VSA-100, which stood for Voodoo Scalable Architecture."
1) This is incorrect as the VSA-100 chips were designed from day one for SLI operation."
All 3dfx chips from Voodoo Graphics onward were designed for SLI, all being basically the same chip.
QuoteOriginally posted by gdonovan
2) The Voodoo 3 can be operated in multi-chip configuration as well, see AAlchemy 4116.
The Voodoo3 is in basic terms a single chip Voodoo2, again SLI is a foregone conclusion.
QuoteOriginally posted by gdonovan
3) What hurt 3dfx the most was missing the product cycles and not releasing product on time, this let ATI and Nv catch up, then pass 3dfx in performance.
No. What hit 3dfx was the development of stopgap solutions that couldn't evolve, or hope to compete in an ever more competitive market. No longer the undisputed king of 3d accelerated hardware, 3dfx were surpassed, by companies better able to market their products while keeping their costs down.
QuoteOriginally posted by gdonovan
"The Voodoo 5 6000 never got to the market, due to a severe bug resulting in data corruption on the AGP bus on certain boards"
No, it had a problem with signal noise on the internal PCI bus caused by a PCB design flaw.
Whatever the popularly reported excuses, the Voodoo5 6000 was unmarketable and would never have sold as a mainstream graphics card to the masses. 3dfx were finished before it could be finalised and released anyway.
QuoteOriginally posted by gdonovan
"limited to AGP 2x, which would have prevented its use on the then-new Pentium 4 motherboards"
The AGP modes has little to do with it, the 5500 and 6000 require 3.3 volts on the AGP supply and the Intel P4 chipsets only supply 1.5 volts. Intel could have choosen to design the chipset with 3.3 volts support (as AMD did up to the VIA KT-333a) but did not.
Not limited to "AGP 2x" at all. In fact a full production card could quite feasibly have made 4x AGP and been fully AGP 2.0 compliant with the exception of DIME support, though without this what would be the point?
QuoteOriginally posted by gdonovan
"Voodoo 4 was as much of a disaster as Voodoo Rush"
The only problem with the Voodoo 4 was it was pitted against the GFMX2 which had a much better price/performance ratio. The Rush had high performance expectations (in reality it performed 10% worse then Voodoo Graphics, which was still was better then many other solutions!) and some software incompatibilities. If you read the press reviews at the time the board was mocked for it's poor "2D" performance which is rather quaint since no one cares about "2D performance" anymore.
Voodoo4 proved the VSA100 useless and uncompetitive in a single chip configuration, hardly much better than a Voodoo3 and much slower than a V3 3 3500 when rendering 16bpp. A card with two chips should have been a bonus, instead it was a
necessity for VSA100. Voodoo Rush is a universally accepted failure, 2D performence
is vitally important as is 3D. The Rush had neither.
QuoteYou mention Rampage too as the next product, while Rampage was important the real important product was DAYTONA. Daytona fixed several problems with Napalm and was made on a smaller micron die process. 3dfx had plans for making single, double and quad chip boards using Daytona and the chip would run 143-180 mhz with ease with no active cooling required. Daytona boards have been noted being clocked as high as 260+ mhz, but that is a story for another day
Daytona is basically the DDR SDRAM supporting version of the Napalm. I wouldn't believe the fairy stories about those high clock speeds unless I had the card here and saw it myself with my own eyes. There are many factors to be taken into consideration, including the cooling and the exaggerative tendencies of those prepared to go to any lengths to paint this mysterious and fantastical picture of 3dfx products.
anyone tried to oc a daytona prototype?
yes.see daytona PCI here (http://forum.3dfx.cz/viewtopic.php?t=428).
Yes, I overlocked my Daytona AGP to 183 Mhz WITHOUT any cooling.
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All 3dfx chips from Voodoo Graphics onward were designed for SLI, all being basically the same chip.
False.
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The Voodoo3 is in basic terms a single chip Voodoo2, again SLI is a foregone conclusion.
False. (SLI being a foregone conclusion)
<troll bait ignored>
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Whatever the popularly reported excuses, the Voodoo5 6000 was unmarketable and would never have sold as a mainstream graphics card to the masses.
Define "mainstream graphics card," like the 7800GTX?
Neither card was intended for mainstream use.
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Not limited to "AGP 2x" at all. In fact a full production card could quite feasibly have made 4x AGP and been fully AGP 2.0 compliant with the exception of DIME support, though without this what would be the point?
Wrong- The SLI boards cannot do AGP x 4 due to the SLI setup.
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Voodoo Rush is a universally accepted failure, 2D performence is vitally important as is 3D.
You make me laugh out loud today, trolls good for something.
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I wouldn't believe the fairy stories about those high clock speeds unless I had the card here and saw it myself with my own eyes.
Since I have a few Daytona boards I can assure you the tales are true.
But then again your here to troll so nothing said here matters to you eh? If your here try helping instead of bashing, your feelings about 3dfx are well known by reviewing your past posts.
Voodoo 4 / Daytona PCI: ?MHz, 4ns DDR SDRAM at 270MHz by Jindra Semenec?? Wow, i can't believe that, any benchmarks available?
Well, for as far as i know:
Voodoo 1 was sli capable with one tmu, they used the voodoo 1 tmu en frame buffer with one extra tmu on the voodoo 2 cards.
agp 2x in most cases means 3.3 v. Agp 1-4x means 3.3/1.5 capable. agp 8x means 0.8 and 1.5 v capable. So no agp 1/2x capability. This is why voodoo cards won't run on agp 8x busses, unless the bus is redesigned to be 3.3 v capable.
Voodoo 3 is a redesigned banshee core (non sli capable for as far as I know, nor was the banshee)
Correct me if im wrong on that last one, but the rest is true for sure.
voodoo3 is sli capable,quantum 3d made a card with four voodoo3 gpu's SLIed together,the card was called AAlchemy 4116 (http://www.3dfx.cz/voodoo3/aa4116.jpg)..
QuoteOriginally posted by baskapteijn
Well, for as far as i know:
Voodoo 1 was sli capable with one tmu, they used the voodoo 1 tmu en frame buffer with one extra tmu on the voodoo 2 cards.
The Voodoo Graphics could SLI with up to three TMU's for each board.
Can anyone name the company that made Voodoo Graphics and Voodoo II boards with 3 TMU's?
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agp 2x in most cases means 3.3 v. Agp 1-4x means 3.3/1.5 capable. agp 8x means 0.8 and 1.5 v capable. So no agp 1/2x capability.
All the Voodoo AGP cards are AGP 1/2x except for the V4-4500 which is an 4x part. The AGP 1/2/4 spec allows only one master device to be visible on the AGP bus which is why the V5-6000 has a HiNT chip.
In an ironic twist the AGP 8x spec removed that limit.
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Voodoo 3 is a redesigned banshee core (non sli capable for as far as I know, nor was the banshee)
As noted already, the AAlchemy 4116 disproves that. The Voodoo 3 was fully SLI capable.