New World Record - V6k AGP2PCI - WinXP.
I got an AGP2PCI adapter and with the new driver from Koolsmoky I tried my Intel system with a Core2duo and the V6k. Here goes some test: Passed the 5000 points wall. 8)
Intel Core2Duo 6600
Change-AGP2PCI
Voodoo5-6000 3700A AGP @195MHz
3DMark2001SE
WinXP SP2
Koolsmoky Beta
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2603/v6k5030pointsjd6.jpg)
Compare URL ยป http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9240496
ps. Pity about PCI to PCI BRIDGE limitation. It does not support 66MHz bus. I tried the AGP2PCI on PCI-X slot but it works to 33MHz. With V6k + AGP2PCI + PCI 66MHz. The card could reach 6000points... :)
Oscar
Very very good score!
Voodoo5 6000 rocks!!! [:p]
If your V56K has the Hint HB1-SE66 PCI-PCI bridge, the V56K itself is capable of running 66MHz. Bit 5 of the PCI status register will be set to 1 and will show that the bridge is 66MHz capable to the system. Additionally, you need to supply the M66EN signal to the mainboard to run 66MHz on the PCI bus. You probably need to modify the AGP2PCI riser card to supply the M66EN signal to the mainboard. For starters, check if the M66EN pin is connected to GND or not.
-KoolSmoky
Hi Kool, :)
QuoteIf your V56K has the Hint HB1-SE66 PCI-PCI bridge,
Yes, my V6k card has the Hint HB1-SE66.
Quotethe V56K itself is capable of running 66MHz. Bit 5 of the PCI status register will be set to 1 and will show that the bridge is 66MHz capable to the system.
Where Can I check it?
Thanks,
Oscar
No, you need to do a hardware mod on the AGP2PCI riser card. Read my previous post carefully and do what I suggested.
-KoolSmoky
QuoteOriginally posted by koolsmoky
No, you need to do a hardware mod on the AGP2PCI riser card. Read my previous post carefully and do what I suggested.
-KoolSmoky
Ok, so I will need help. Where is the M66EN pin? On the AGP2PCI? I have checked the AGP2PCI but I have not found M66EN.
Thanks,
Oscar
Pin 49 on side B of the AGP2PCI riser card needs to be pulled-up to operate in 66MHz. Connecting it to GND signals the mainboard to run 33MHz. So for starters, check if the pin is connected to GND or not.
Isolate the riser card from the system and V56K before doing the checks. You have been warned.
-KoolSmoky
@koolsmoky,
Check it,
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8916/m66enlu7.jpg)
Does Is it correct?
UPDATED:
Cheking side B AGP2PCI.
Oscar
QuoteConnecting it to GND signals the mainboard to run 33MHz. So for starters, check if the pin is connected to GND or not.
I tried on the side B with the multimeter and PIN 49 and it is not connected to 'Ground'.
Thanks,
Oscar
The pin marked in red is not pin 49.
-KoolSmoky
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Thanks KoolSmoky,
PIN 49 and it's not connected to 'Ground'.
Oscar
Are pins 46 and 49 on side B connected?
-KoolSmoky
QuoteOriginally posted by koolsmoky
Are pins 46 and 49 on side B connected?
-KoolSmoky
No.
Oscar
Then trace the lines from pin 49 and find where they connect to.
-KoolSmoky
Looking at your pic, if you trace the line from pin 49 side B, there's an IVH going from side B to A right above pin 48 side B. I bet it connects to pin 48 side A. Which means pin 49 side B is connected to GND.
What you need to do now is isolate pin 49 side B and connect it to a pullup resitor to Vcc.
-KoolSmoky
QuoteOriginally posted by koolsmoky
Looking at your pic, if you trace the line from pin 49 side B, there's an IVH going from side B to A right above pin 48 side B. I bet it connects to pin 48 side A. Which means pin 49 side B is connected to GND.
What you need to do now is isolate pin 49 side B and connect it to a pullup resitor to Vcc.
-KoolSmoky
Isolate pin49 want to say to isolate it by cutting the PCB trace on the side B?
How Can I connect it to the Vcc?
Thanks,
Oscar
Start out by just masking pin 49 side B and see if that enables 66MHz operation. If it doesn't work, then connect it to a pullup resistor to Vcc. You can cut the line on the PCB or create a new pin over the mask. I recommend you do a little researching yourself before doing the mod. You can find the PCI spec docs at PCI-SIG.
-KoolSmoky
heh nice work Oscar , heh so maybe the 6000 points is possible? I hope so man, so far so good man, May The Force Be With You buddy.
QuoteOriginally posted by koolsmoky
Start out by just masking pin 49 side B and see if that enables 66MHz operation. If it doesn't work, then connect it to a pullup resistor to Vcc. You can cut the line on the PCB or create a new pin over the mask. I recommend you do a little researching yourself before doing the mod. You can find the PCI spec docs at PCI-SIG.
-KoolSmoky
Thank you KoolSmoky! :)
EDITED:
QuoteStart out by just masking pin 49 side B and see if that enables 66MHz operation
It works. [8D] I have masked pin 49 with sellotape and the v6k works to 66MHz. Now I got 5663 points on 3DMark2001SE. :D
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6476/5663pointsyr3.jpg)
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank you KoolSmoky!!!!!
Oscar
Nice score Oscar !
:D
Congratulations for your new world record !
How much memory do u have in this dual core sistem ?
AFAIK the 3dMark2001 is very sensible to every system change, so that 2Gb of memory with agressive timmings should bring some points more...
6000 Points is not too far now ...
Br.
Radu.
QuoteOriginally posted by m14radu
Nice score Oscar !
:D
Congratulations for your new world record !
How much memory do u have in this dual core sistem ?
AFAIK the 3dMark2001 is very sensible to every system change, so that 2Gb of memory with agressive timmings should bring some points more...
6000 Points is not too far now ...
Br.
Radu.
Thank you Radu.
Right Now 1GB timmings 4-4-4-12.
Oscar
QuoteOriginally posted by osckhar
QuoteOriginally posted by m14radu
Nice score Oscar !
:D
Congratulations for your new world record !
How much memory do u have in this dual core sistem ?
AFAIK the 3dMark2001 is very sensible to every system change, so that 2Gb of memory with agressive timmings should bring some points more...
6000 Points is not too far now ...
Br.
Radu.
Thank you Radu.
Right Now 1GB timmings 4-4-4-12.
Oscar
Hey Oscar what speed did your CPU run? Intel E6600 @ 2.4Ghz stock speeds?
and what Mobo did you use which has a 66Mhz PCI Bus for Intel Core2 Duo?
QuoteHey Oscar what speed did your CPU run? Intel E6600 @ 2.4Ghz stock speeds?
and what Mobo did you use which has a 66Mhz PCI Bus for Intel Core2 Duo?
E6600@3200MHz 410FSB
You only need to find a motherboard with PCI-x (Workstation). With a V5 PCI plug it the card will work to 66MHz.
I did some test:
V6K + AGP2PCI
Intel sistem with Core2duo 3DMark2001SEV6k@166MHz (AGP2PCI) on PCI Bus - 33MHz - 4000Points
V6k@166MHz (AGP2PCI) on PCI Bus - 50MHz - 4800Points
V6k@166MHz (AGP2PCI - Modded) on PCI Bus - 66MHz - 5300Points
3DMark2001SEV5 5500 PCI - PCI-X 66MHz - 3700Points
V5 5500 PCI - PCI 33Mhz - 3000Points
V5 5500 AGP (AGP2PCI modded) - PCI-X 66MHz - 3700Points.
So the PCI-X is the way for Voodoo cards. PCI-X = AGP1x (66MHz).
Oscar
osckhar,
your is really a very good work.
Thank you.
QuoteOriginally posted by osckhar
QuoteHey Oscar what speed did your CPU run? Intel E6600 @ 2.4Ghz stock speeds?
and what Mobo did you use which has a 66Mhz PCI Bus for Intel Core2 Duo?
E6600@3200MHz 410FSB
You only need to find a motherboard with PCI-x (Workstation). With a V5 PCI plug it the card will work to 66MHz.
I did some test:
V6K + AGP2PCI
Intel sistem with Core2duo
3DMark2001SE
V6k@166MHz (AGP2PCI) on PCI Bus - 33MHz - 4000Points
V6k@166MHz (AGP2PCI) on PCI Bus - 50MHz - 4800Points
V6k@166MHz (AGP2PCI - Modded) on PCI Bus - 66MHz - 5300Points
3DMark2001SE
V5 5500 PCI - PCI-X 66MHz - 3700Points
V5 5500 PCI - PCI 33Mhz - 3000Points
V5 5500 AGP (AGP2PCI modded) - PCI-X 66MHz - 3700Points.
So the PCI-X is the way for Voodoo cards. PCI-X = AGP1x (66MHz).
Oscar
hmm interesting Oscar that a 5500 PCI can operate with a 66Mhz PCI bus never knew that, since 32Bit PCI only operates @ 33Mhz right, as I thought a 5500 PCI/4500 PCI was limited with that as well?
thopugh I may be mistaken of course
@Obi,
V4/V5 PCI are PCI66MHz equal like V4/V5 AGP (PCI66MHz). Just PCI version is limited BUS PCI 33MHz. When you plug them on PCI-X you can see them to his maximum potential (66MHz). ;)
Oscar
ahh oke :D thanx for the idea heh that Dual 760MPX board I have here has 2 PCI-64Bit 66Mhz slots heh nice for the Voodoo5 5500 PCI hehe thanx for the tip mate :D and congratulations with your score man damn 5.6K with a 6K hmm I wonder what happens when your card travels @ cores mem : 195Mhz [8D] wiiieeee a Hels score that would make haha
QuoteOriginally posted by Obi-Wan Kenobi
ahh oke :D thanx for the idea heh that Dual 760MPX board I have here has 2 PCI-64Bit 66Mhz slots heh nice for the Voodoo5 5500 PCI hehe thanx for the tip mate :D and congratulations with your score man damn 5.6K with a 6K hmm I wonder what happens when your card travels @ cores mem : 195Mhz [8D] wiiieeee a Hels score that would make haha
No problem Obi! ;)
Try your V5 PCI and show us the scores. With a V5 5500 PCI @185MHz I got 4050Points.
Now I am waiting for best DDR. I think 6000 points will be easy with my V6k runing @195MHz.
ps. The next step will be to see like affect the bus pci between 33-66MHz in D3D games without T&L by software (NFSU, Collin McRae3, V-Rally)
Oscar
well I need 2 AthlonMP 2800+ CPU's first heh got the board though my 5500 PCI does 191Mhz max speed without page tearing :) it used to be Mojo's card some long time ago.
The card I use is a Rev.A1 2900 with bios 1.11 [8D]
btw 6000 points with a 6000 matches the cards name also haha, and really you deserve a front page post if you will reach the magical 6000 + points on 3D mark 2001SE B330 :D
I sense you will get around 6024 something like that ;)
Hey Osckar ,
Any good news ?
already hit 6000 points ?
Keep us informed when you achieve this goal ....
Can u post please some pics with the system ?
The next step in order to get more points will be a quad core CPU ! :D
Hi Radu,
At the moment is not possible to reach 6000Points. I think my V6k is limited for the bandwidth. So, a Quad Core CPU will not help more than a Core2Duo. I have tried to up FSB, O/C CPU, agressive timmings and nothing... The only way for getting extra points is overclocking V6k.
V6k @195MHz
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2272/v6k5818pointscs3.jpg)
Oscar
Hey Oscar wait for Intel's Penryn and AMD's Barcelona they should give you more speed ;)
anyway it's QUITE impressive!!
outstanding score ;)
the score is amazing
Good work osckhar !
Try also to push an v5 5500 to the limit !
:)
heh yeah a 5500 PCI should do it :) I wonder how far a 5000 can go since they have SGRAM won't the do better than 5500 because of the SGRAM's better latencies?
Anyways I had to sell my MPX board because of the need for money heh, sold it nicely though hehe.
I wish you all the best with your upcomming experiments Oscar, now a Rampage man heh wonder what that will do with improved drivers (http://forum.voodooalert.de/images/smilies/hrr.gif) (http://forum.voodooalert.de/images/smilies/ugly.gif) (http://forum.voodooalert.de/images/smilies/hrr.gif)
Well, with a V5 5500 AGP @185MHz it can reach 4100Points! :)
V5 5500 AGP @185MHz - AGP2PCI -
4023Points
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9244994
Oscar
Nice score! But I think this is the end. No faster CPU's will help if the card keeps being limited by the interface. Hank could build an AGP4x-6000. ;)
Greetings from Germany,
Raff
QuoteHank could build an AGP4x-6000.
LoL, it would be a solution!!! ;)
ps. Anyway, the last way for getting extra points is updating the card with 4'5ns. With the bottle neck problem a fast CPU does not help.
Oscar
Nice score Osckhar,
With a better cooling you should be able to run the v5 5500 at 200MHz.
This will bring some more points !
Radu.
and what about the geforce 2 and GTS model's points?
to see who is more powerful.... [:P]
bye!
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4552099&postcount=57
A GeForce2 Ultra can easily pass 7500 3DMarks.
Greetings,
Raff
but i see this difference:
V6k @195MHz : 5818 points
GTS 32 MB @ 240/215 MHz: 5325 points
so an overcloked v6 + AGP2PCI (Modded) on PCI Bus - 66MHz
is better, isn't it?
osckhar, where did you get the AGP2PCI bridge ? I would need two of those since I have two old AGP 3dfx cards and nowhere to insert them :D
Please, please please ? :)
Hey Osckhar, how about testing under 98SE? I'm quite sure you'll hit the 6000 point then with ease [8D]
Since 98SE should give you a nice 500 to 1000 points boost ;)
I'd use AM 2.9 or the latest Raziel64 drivers :)
Okay no support for 98SE, how about Win2K Pro = SP4, that is still faster than XP in Glide games as 3D mark 2001SE, it should deliver about a mere 250 a 320 points extra :)