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Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: nano30 on 05 November 2003, 22:35:23
how many in total exist voodoo rampage?

how much,more or less?

exist working on,how many?

somebody sale this card?
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: amp_man on 05 November 2003, 22:48:47
as far as I know, there is only 1 rampage in existence, although the 3dhq community claimed to have one, the only known one is in italy, i believe. you will probably never see this card up for sale, only see it's technologies in the nvidia (ugh) fx (as in 3dfx) line of cards.

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: nano30 on 05 November 2003, 23:46:41
not believe exist 3 series from rampage
1 rampage ,1 rampage +1 siege and 2 rampage + 1 siege,all down the name spectre,and this last serie outrunner to geforce 3
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: amp_man on 06 November 2003, 05:24:02
well, your english is pretty bad there, no offense, but from what i think you're saying, my response is that I believe those were projected possibilities for cards. i think by seige you mean sage, which was the off-chip tnl unit designed for the rampage. but the never got the original rampage chip running decent, so the sage was not produced, as it was useless without a funtioning rampage.

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 06 November 2003, 06:56:25
Quotehow many in total exist voodoo rampage?

3 that are known of...the one that the italians have, that's actually two different boards...
And the third is unaccounted for, maybe aquoes has that one...



Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Obi-Wan Kenobi on 06 November 2003, 20:42:28
well what about this one then:

http://members.lycos.nl/pictures3dfx/3dfx%20Voodoo%20Rampage%20Spectre%203000.jpg

isn't this the 3dfx Spectre 3000 the one with 2x Rampage and 1x Sage T&L Unit??

or is it another enginereing smaple of some other type Voodoo?



here is a list I found at Plasma Online:


These were the planned 3dfx Rampage series based cards:

Spectre 1000 -  1x 3dfx Rampage
Spectre 2000 -  1x 3dfx Rampage + 1x 3dfx Sage
Spectre 3000 -  2x 3dfx Rampage + 1x 3dfx Sage

And this would of came after them:        

Fear -  1x 3dfx Fusion + 1x 3dfx Sage II

But isn't there no resemblance of 3dfx' Mojo?


Anyways the most logic thing for the Fear series would of been:

Fear 1000 -  1x 3dfx Fusion + 1x 3dfx Sage II

Fear 2000 -  2x 3dfx Fusion + 1x 3dfx Sage II

Fear 3000 -  2x 3dfx Fusion + 2x 3dfx Sage II

Fear 4000 -  4x 3dfx Fusion + 2x 3dfx Sage II


That's what could of been very possible.

And The 3dfx Mojo series cards would of came out after the Fear series later that time.

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 06 November 2003, 23:21:08
QuoteOriginally posted by Obi-Wan Kenobi

well what about this one then:

http://members.lycos.nl/pictures3dfx/3dfx%20Voodoo%20Rampage%20Spectre%203000.jpg

isn't this the 3dfx Spectre 3000 the one with 2x Rampage and 1x Sage T&L Unit??

or is it another enginereing smaple of some other type Voodoo?



here is a list I found at Plasma Online:


These were the planned 3dfx Rampage series based cards:

Spectre 1000 -  1x 3dfx Rampage
Spectre 2000 -  1x 3dfx Rampage + 1x 3dfx Sage
Spectre 3000 -  2x 3dfx Rampage + 1x 3dfx Sage

And this would of came after them:        

Fear -  1x 3dfx Fusion + 1x 3dfx Sage II

But isn't there no resemblance of 3dfx' Mojo?


Anyways the most logic thing for the Fear series would of been:

Fear 1000 -  1x 3dfx Fusion + 1x 3dfx Sage II

Fear 2000 -  2x 3dfx Fusion + 1x 3dfx Sage II

Fear 3000 -  2x 3dfx Fusion + 2x 3dfx Sage II

Fear 4000 -  4x 3dfx Fusion + 2x 3dfx Sage II


That's what could of been very possible.

And The 3dfx Mojo series cards would of came out after the Fear series later that time.

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.

FAKE, everyone knows that pic is a fake...look carefully, it's a Voodoo3 with some bad photoshopping going on...(http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif)

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: amp_man on 07 November 2003, 04:57:25
yes, that "rampage" is a V3 combined with a V5. rampage was supposed to have 1.5V slot support and AGP 4x, so the easiest way to identify stupid fakes is to look for the second gap in the AGP connector.

There are many theories, ideas, speculations, and downright BS as to what 3dfx planned for the future. all we can know for certain is that it didn't happen, and never will

Has anyone thought that if the end-of-the-line 3dfx cards were so powerful, how come nVidia has never built them? My answer is that they weren't what they were made out to the public to be....

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: sloomy on 07 November 2003, 05:02:09
I have thought, that Amigamerlin and his team have good connections with former 3dfx workers ? Maybe they can ask for us ? ;)
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 07 November 2003, 05:37:28
QuoteHas anyone thought that if the end-of-the-line 3dfx cards were so powerful, how come nVidia has never built them? My answer is that they weren't what they were made out to the public to be....

One easy and simple answer, nVidia didn't get anytech after the VSA series, i.e. no Rampy or anything else beyond...but they did get SLI, but I guess even nVidia's too stupid to use it...

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: bloodworm on 07 November 2003, 17:37:02
Nvidia didn't build any 3dfx cards because they never bought any actual card designs....  only the patents around the tech within the chips and chip inter connections (sli) themselves.....

Bloody Mess
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: NitroX infinity on 07 November 2003, 18:13:15
Then where did all those items in stock go to? Did they get destroyed?

ASUS P4S533 | Intel Pentium 4 2,261GHz | 512MB Samsung PC2700 DDR-SDRAM | Voodoo 5 5500 AGP
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 07 November 2003, 18:18:38
Ever look at the 3dfx site back in the beginning of 2001? nVida was giving people rebates...something like if you sent them your voodoo card, they'd give you $30 off a Geforce series (high end), $20 off a mid range Geforce card, and $10 of a low end...something like that...my Voodoo 5 is worth more than that :). The point is, I'm pretty sure they destroyed them ;)

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: dborca on 08 November 2003, 11:39:12
QuoteOriginally posted by nano30

how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Hmmm... I know there is one in Italy! I know the guy, but I cannot give his name! Sorry! ;)

I don't know whether other samples really exist so far, but here's a bit of inside info, from another nameless guy :D:
The V5 successor, which brought 3Dfx over the brink of bankruptcy, didn't use Glide at all, but you don't care about that.  Only one of those chips ever ran at all, anyway, and it needed a continuous supply of coolant to keep it from burning up, and a clamp to affix it tightly enough to the board.

I cannot tell whether the guy refers to Rampage as the "V5 successor", tho... And, of course, I cannot give further details about the quote above. [:p]

Regards,
Daniel Borca
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: sloomy on 08 November 2003, 12:46:28
QuoteOriginally posted by lecram25
The point is, I'm pretty sure they destroyed them ;)


i don#t think so, they haven't destroy them, some have gone to Quantum3D and are stocked there, and some are also by Nvidia. But non eof them are destroyed. [?]
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Obi-Wan Kenobi on 08 November 2003, 15:02:40
QuoteOriginally posted by sloomy

QuoteOriginally posted by lecram25
The point is, I'm pretty sure they destroyed them ;)


i don#t think so, they haven't destroy them, some have gone to Quantum3D and are stocked there, and some are also by Nvidia. But non eof them are destroyed. [?]


Well okay if none of them are destroyed...is there real proof or evidence on that theorie?

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: amp_man on 08 November 2003, 22:28:06
[:(!]Star wars geeks[:(!]
(jk)
i kinda doubt that nvidia destroyed all the 3dfx cards they got, it would make more sense to sell them to Quantum3d (although this is nvidia we're talking about). however, if they did keep some, for some odd reason, there's no reason to keep them, they probably went in the garbage or something.

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 08 November 2003, 23:18:58
Yes, nVidia most probably destroyed the most of them...and the ones that Q3d got were directly from 3dfx...

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: sloomy on 08 November 2003, 23:34:32
Do they have really  destroy  them  all !!!! ok how can you prove  this `? Or is this also  a theory of your ?
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 09 November 2003, 01:12:04
OMFG! What else do you think they'd do with outdated tech? Frame each and every single one and mount them on a wall? Get real!

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: amp_man on 09 November 2003, 04:18:05
I must agree with lecram: there's no way to know what happened to 3dfx's inventory or the card's that were handed in during the "trade-up" program. it is useless to argue the point, because nobody can be proven, or disproven, as correct.

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: nano30 on 09 November 2003, 06:49:47
somebody from 3dfx for answer ?
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Amigamerlin on 09 November 2003, 08:45:36
QuoteOriginally posted by dborca

QuoteOriginally posted by nano30

how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Hmmm... I know there is one in Italy! I know the guy, but I cannot give his name! Sorry! ;)

Daniel Borca

Eheheh I must correct it !! THE_ONLY_ONE is in italy :D there is only one prototipe that works  and IT is in italy !! On the home page of 3dfxzone.it you can see the mini review of it !! [8D]

About the price .. Actually the owner don't want to sell it but if he decide to sell the price can be MUCH_HIGHER, MUCH MUCH HIGHER!!

Amigamerlin
3DFXZONE MODERATOR
Powerd By Voodoo5 6000
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 09 November 2003, 11:46:17
QuoteOriginally posted by Amigamerlin

QuoteOriginally posted by dborca

QuoteOriginally posted by nano30

how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Hmmm... I know there is one in Italy! I know the guy, but I cannot give his name! Sorry! ;)

Daniel Borca

Eheheh I must correct it !! THE_ONLY_ONE is in italy :D there is only one prototipe that works  and IT is in italy !! On the home page of 3dfxzone.it you can see the mini review of it !! [8D]

About the price .. Actually the owner don't want to sell it but if he decide to sell the price can be MUCH_HIGHER, MUCH MUCH HIGHER!!

Amigamerlin
3DFXZONE MODERATOR
Powerd By Voodoo5 6000


Only one huh?

Look carefully! Especially on the bios, notice how the writing...notice that it's the same handwriting, but they're obviously different...
If you want the full res scans I'll post em...
(http://my.fit.edu/~mmichael/Rampy/rampy2s.jpg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmichael/Rampy/rampy_s.jpg)

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Amigamerlin on 09 November 2003, 12:34:39
QuoteOriginally posted by lecram25

QuoteOriginally posted by Amigamerlin

QuoteOriginally posted by dborca

QuoteOriginally posted by nano30

how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Hmmm... I know there is one in Italy! I know the guy, but I cannot give his name! Sorry! ;)

Daniel Borca

Eheheh I must correct it !! THE_ONLY_ONE is in italy :D there is only one prototipe that works  and IT is in italy !! On the home page of 3dfxzone.it you can see the mini review of it !! [8D]

About the price .. Actually the owner don't want to sell it but if he decide to sell the price can be MUCH_HIGHER, MUCH MUCH HIGHER!!

Amigamerlin
3DFXZONE MODERATOR
Powerd By Voodoo5 6000


Only one huh?

Look carefully! Especially on the bios, notice how the writing...notice that it's the same handwriting, but they're obviously different...
If you want the full res scans I'll post em...
(http://my.fit.edu/~mmichael/Rampy/rampy2s.jpg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmichael/Rampy/rampy_s.jpg)



are you trying to get smart with me ?
boy I have had the card in my hand you have see it only in photo !!

the card are 2 different version and the only one that works correctly is the second one (with fan) . The first is only a prototype and seems don't works correctly !!
However the real working Rampage NEED a dongle too to correctly view the colour !!

Amigamerlin
3DFXZONE MODERATOR
Powerd By Voodoo5 6000
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: nano30 on 09 November 2003, 18:31:45
amigamerlin ,hello
which you have the first or the second one ?
you have the dongle too ?
this run in 200mhz or more ?
what fssa run ?

thanks
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Amigamerlin on 09 November 2003, 19:16:38
QuoteOriginally posted by nano30

amigamerlin ,hello
which you have the first or the second one ?
the second but I don't have it ;).. my friend have it :D!!
Quoteyou have the dongle too ?
yes He has the Dongle
Quotethis run in 200mhz or more ?
I don't remember
Quotewhat fssa run ?
I don't remember

Bye

Amigamerlin
3DFXZONE MODERATOR
Powerd By Voodoo5 6000
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: amp_man on 10 November 2003, 03:11:42
hehe, lecram got owned! lmao

so, would the other Rampage work with adongle, or do you know? also, why didn't 3dfx build the dongle into the card itself?
QuoteOriginally posted by nano30

somebody from 3dfx for answer ?

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 10 November 2003, 04:02:31
amp_man, stay out of this...

Amiga, you said

QuoteEheheh I must correct it !! THE_ONLY_ONE is in italy  there is only one prototipe that works and IT is in italy !! On the home page of 3dfxzone.it you can see the mini review of it !!

Your initial statement says that there's only one card...so how do you figure when a whole bunch of us at x3dfx know for sure that there are two cards, and those two pics prove it...I didn't say two working cards, all I said was that there were two!

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Amigamerlin on 10 November 2003, 10:39:02
QuoteOriginally posted by amp_man

so, would the other Rampage work with adongle, or do you know? also, why didn't 3dfx build the dongle into the card itself?
QuoteOriginally posted by nano30

somebody from 3dfx for answer ?

The other Rampage seems to have big probelm !! ... The working rampage was a prototipe. Because an CHIP error some signal was inverted on Silicon .. and the External Dongle reconvert it in the right way !! I suppose 3DFX thinking to place all in order in the next release of the chip but They didn't have had the time [V]. They close their door after a while !!

Amigamerlin
3DFXZONE MODERATOR
Powerd By Voodoo5 6000
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Amigamerlin on 10 November 2003, 10:44:07
QuoteOriginally posted by lecram25

amp_man, stay out of this...

Amiga, you said

QuoteEheheh I must correct it !! THE_ONLY_ONE is in italy  there is only one prototipe that works and IT is in italy !! On the home page of 3dfxzone.it you can see the mini review of it !!

Your initial statement says that there's only one card...so how do you figure when a whole bunch of us at x3dfx know for sure that there are two cards, and those two pics prove it...I didn't say two working cards, all I said was that there were two!



Lecram25 , no problem ;).
Sorry, I have thought in different way !! :)
However I have writed too
Quote...  there is only one prototipe that works and IT is in italy ...!!
Anyway all is clear now !! ;)
Bye ... ;)

Amigamerlin
3DFXZONE MODERATOR
Powerd By Voodoo5 6000
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: dborca on 10 November 2003, 14:09:26
QuoteOriginally posted by amp_man


why didn't 3dfx build the dongle into the card itself?

Well, AFAIK, the problem was with the DAC! That was one neglected part in the simulator :D

But then again, AFAIK...

Regards,
Daniel Borca
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 10 November 2003, 14:40:38
amp_man, there wasn't going to be a dongle in the final retail card...the donlge is there just to flip the RGB channel, or in this case, BGR?(not too sure about that)...they used a dongle because Rampage was put together in such a hurry that the RGB channel was inverted, lol, hence the dongle...

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Obi-Wan Kenobi on 10 November 2003, 19:03:26
has some one have a 5 mega pixxel photo of this beutifull Rampy??

It would be nice though!! I am indeed a true 3dfx fan like everyone else!!!!

May the power of the 3dfx Rampage be with you all!!!!!

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 10 November 2003, 20:42:30
Ok, these are the biggest pics I have...56k WARNING!!


(http://my.fit.edu/~mmichael/Rampy/rampy%20-%20high%20res.jpg)

(http://my.fit.edu/~mmichael/Rampy/rampy2%20-%20high%20res.jpg)



Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: Obi-Wan Kenobi on 10 November 2003, 21:04:30
QuoteOriginally posted by lecram25

Ok, these are the biggest pics I have...56k WARNING!!




Thanx for those Great High Res Rampy pics!!!!

Man I suppose everyone would like to have one of those freak'n Rampy's!!!!

Thank you very much, you just made Jedi Master alot prouder!!!

The Force Is Strong In You.. I Sense It

3dfx 4-Ever!!!

P.S.

Don't worry I Have Cable 1.5 Mbit and they just glided smoothly in , Nice Job!! [:p][:p][:p]

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: amp_man on 11 November 2003, 04:48:53
well, my 56k didn't exactly appreciate it, but they're worth the wait. and lecram, don't bother telling me to stay out of anything, I'm just more likely to get into it, lol

btw, why did you argue that there was only 1 rampage, when the pics you just posted show little differences between both cards, aside from the hs/fan, the most obvious ones are the clump of sodier near the power supply connector and the marks on the black cushion-looking things on the board. also, a few places where resistors on one board are on slightly sloppy that are cleaned up on the other.

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: lecram25 on 11 November 2003, 06:00:59
QuoteOriginally posted by amp_man

well, my 56k didn't exactly appreciate it, but they're worth the wait. and lecram, don't bother telling me to stay out of anything, I'm just more likely to get into it, lol

btw, why did you argue that there was only 1 rampage, when the pics you just posted show little differences between both cards, aside from the hs/fan, the most obvious ones are the clump of sodier near the power supply connector and the marks on the black cushion-looking things on the board. also, a few places where resistors on one board are on slightly sloppy that are cleaned up on the other.



First off, I told you to stay out of it as this was between amiga and I, secondly, I never argued that there was only one card...go reread the thread; I argued that there were at least two different cards that the Italian guy had...
But guess what amp_man, I have a little treat for you since, you are unable to see the differences, even though I provided high res scans...*sigh*






Enjoy [:p]
(http://kirby.colorado.edu/jrr/3dfx/rampageodd.jpg)

EDIT: link...

Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: 3dfxFanatic on 12 November 2003, 16:17:06
damn... i just lost my jaws on the floor... :P
these cards are really amazing!
Title: how many in total exist voodoo rampage?
Post by: amp_man on 12 November 2003, 21:06:14
lecram, I just said there were differences, even stated where they were...
QuoteWhy Must I Repeat Myself???
the most obvious ones are the clump of sodier near the power supply connector and the marks on the black cushion-looking things on the board. also, a few places where resistors on one board are on slightly sloppy that are cleaned up on the other.

i just forgot who was arguing what....

and DO NOT tell me to stay out of things. You are not a mod, you have no right to state such things.

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