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LW_Hearse
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  11:12:55  Show Profile  Visit LW_Hearse's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not sure what this might be anyone know?

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LW_Hearse
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  11:14:52  Show Profile  Visit LW_Hearse's Homepage  Reply with Quote


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dborca
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  14:30:57  Show Profile  Visit dborca's Homepage  Send dborca a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
It's exactly what it looks like: Jazz Multimedia Adrenaline Rush!

Exactly, a VoodooRush! One of the pretenders to the throne... of the most flakey cards ever made in 3dfx history!

Take a look:
http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=techtalk;action=display;num=1070361812
(my post at the bottom of the page)

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Nightbird
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  19:47:17  Show Profile  Visit Nightbird's Homepage  Send Nightbird a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Well, this card was the First 3dfx' attempt in order to get a 2D/3D card.
Not perfect of course
But i like this Jazz Multimedia Adrenaline Rush with its blue pcb

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amp_man
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Posted - 12/03/2004 :  21:58:49  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
yes, the blue PCB is very cool. I just wish I hadn't killed mine . But it's still good to look at
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dborca
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Posted - 15/03/2004 :  09:51:19  Show Profile  Visit dborca's Homepage  Send dborca a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Awww, I don't mean to be mean... or rude, but I'd rather look at the monitor, not the PCB. I admit the blue PCB is very cool. And I shall keep mine, for collecting purposes. It's just I had a bad experience when I tried to ressurect Glide3 for it. Ditto for Glide2.

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Nightbird
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Posted - 15/03/2004 :  19:27:00  Show Profile  Visit Nightbird's Homepage  Send Nightbird a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Glad that you like it, despite a bad experience
Hum, i own Pandemonium and Formula1, enhanced for the Rush chipset ; if i remember, run pretty well on it.

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Posted - 16/03/2004 :  07:39:38  Show Profile  Visit ArchAngelCD's Homepage  Send ArchAngelCD an ICQ Message  Reply with Quote
Looks like a VoodooRush to me too.
I still have a Intense 3D 6Mb Voodoo Rush card!

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amp_man
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Posted - 16/03/2004 :  22:17:20  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Awww, I don't mean to be mean... or rude, but I'd rather look at the monitor, not the PCB.


Heh, don't worry m8. You're right, the Voodoo Rush was one of, if not the worst card 3dfx produced. I bought the card mainly for the Glide games it included, Interstate 76, Mechwarrior Mercenaries: 3dfx Edition, and Turok. I paid a whole $5 USD, so it was well worth it. And it takes so little space amongst my computer junk, why not keep it around to look at?
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Knuckles
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Posted - 16/03/2004 :  23:01:41  Show Profile  Visit Knuckles's Homepage  Click to see Knuckles's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
well, are all Voodoo rush are their first try? I have one just here:



is it normal that the TV out is in black and white?

also, what can I connect on the top connector on the card? (black, female)?

Edited by - Knuckles on 16/03/2004 23:02:46
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amp_man
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Posted - 17/03/2004 :  03:02:16  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ooh, that's one of them ones, my card has all the spots for the connectors, but none installed (just like the pic in the second post). Yes all voodoo rushes were 3dfx's first attempt at a 2D/3D card (I think that's what you're asking), remember that at this stage, 3dfx simply produced chips and gave manufacturers an idea (refrence board) of what would be one way to arrange the components that worked, but they couldn't control the final desingn, that was up to the manufacturer (hence Quantum3D's outrageous designs). But the chips on every voodoo rush are the same. I hope this clarify's things.
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Knuckles
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Posted - 17/03/2004 :  04:20:40  Show Profile  Visit Knuckles's Homepage  Click to see Knuckles's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
right, but still need my other 2 questions to be answered :)

"is it normal that the TV out is in black and white?

also, what can I connect on the top connector on the card? (black, female)?"
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Nightbird
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Posted - 17/03/2004 :  05:09:01  Show Profile  Visit Nightbird's Homepage  Send Nightbird a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Many manufacturers followed the 3dfx reference design because it was simply easier and the design optimized.
About Quantum3D, they had their own design but also their own drivers even if based on 3dfx releases.

The VoodooRush, the worst 3dfx card produced ? this is the common viewpoint but do the people know why or why do the people think that ?
When 3dfx announced in 1997 that the Voodoo Rush was about 30% slower than Voodoo Graphics when z-buffering and alpha blending were enabled, but "this was expected with this architecture", many Rush users were "surprized".
In fact when the Voodoo Rush chipset was launched, no games used simultaneous z-buffering and alpha blending. But then GLQuake became popular...

but the VoodooRush had some advantages on the VoodooGraphics :
- 3D applications at the resolution of 1024x768 in 16bit color depth
- 2D (under different OS's) and 3D
- 3D not limited to the 3D game
...
The history of the VoodooRush is really interesting, trust me

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dborca
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Posted - 17/03/2004 :  10:23:15  Show Profile  Visit dborca's Homepage  Send dborca a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nightbird

The VoodooRush, the worst 3dfx card produced ? this is the common viewpoint but do the people know why or why do the people think that ?

When 3dfx announced in 1997 that the Voodoo Rush was about 30% slower than Voodoo Graphics when z-buffering and alpha blending were enabled, but "this was expected with this architecture", many Rush users were "surprized".


Duh, this is worse than I expected. Where are 3dfx revolutionary ideas, then? I can't imagine a real 3D application without both Z-buffer and alpha blending. Can you?

Be wary before stepping on thin ice . Alpha blending can be done in two modes: src alpha vs dst alpha. The difference between them is huge, and 90% of the apps out there use src alpha. Nevertheless, regular alpha blending looks creepy on Rush compared to Voodoo1.

I've read the Rush chipset specs, believe me. They say it's the Pseudo Unified Memory Architecture (which eventually became UMA in Voodoo3 and later cards). Might be, but I suspect the pseudo FIFO. Was the first attempt of a CMDFIFO, used in Voodoo2 and later cards. Also, the FB became FBjr, the TMUs had to be changed etc.

I would have got over the aforementioned issues if at least 2D was pretty decent. But it's not. My desktop was raining cats and dogs with stray pixels. What's the point in having superior resolutions if they look bad all the same?

If I was the CEO of 3dfx I would have pumped money into the Q3D direction. Check this out (and cry ) boyz & galz:
http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=techtalk;action=display;num=1079456562
It seems to be a 2 x 10MB Voodoo1 SLI-chained. Now that was an ueber-card.

Nevertheless, I can't imagine how the Rush got past QA. After the horrid Rush experience , they got back to 3D-only. Too bad they wasted time with Rush. Voodoo1 was magic. Voodoo2 was godlike in its era. Maybe if they would have saved resources and time and have skipped the Rush crap, Voodoo2 (and all subsequent cards) would have been MUCH better. But we'll never find out now will we?


Regards,
Daniel Borca

Edited by - dborca on 17/03/2004 11:57:15
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Nightbird
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Posted - 17/03/2004 :  19:59:19  Show Profile  Visit Nightbird's Homepage  Send Nightbird a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I said simply that the VoodooRush was slower when...but 30 %, indeed this is a lot !
So guess what does 3Dfx do at this time ?
Simply 3Dfx offered to exchange the Hercules Stingray 128/3D Voodoo Rush daughter card (the "problem" was with this VoodooRush, perhaps the first VoodooRush) for a Voodoo Graphics card.

ps : When i tried my VoodooRush (an Intense 3D Voodoo) on a KT133A with a TBird 1200, i didn't got "special" problems once the machine "stabilized".
pps : But if you want really a difficult VoodooRush, try to find one with the Macronix chipset ; for many people, this was the worst VoodooRush (because really poor performances in 2D).

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amp_man
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Posted - 17/03/2004 :  21:04:10  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Knuckles

right, but still need my other 2 questions to be answered :)

"is it normal that the TV out is in black and white?

also, what can I connect on the top connector on the card? (black, female)?"



Hmm, TV out should be color. I don't know about the other connector, any chance you could post some pics from a different angle? I'm thinking S-Video and comp-out are the other two.
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