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jonmistri
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Posted - 04/03/2003 :  12:25:03  Show Profile  Visit jonmistri's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi, i wanted to ask you a couple of questions referred to the AM 2.5SE XP vs 2.9 win9x driver pack.
-Why is not posible to activate the 3dfx overclock task in windows xp with AM 2.5 SE, when it is in windows me with the AM 2.9 driver pack?
-Why is Geometry assist avaiable in windows me and not in xp?

Thank you.

ROTOR
Novice

Cuba
32 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2003 :  20:17:08  Show Profile  Visit ROTOR's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello.

To enable the overclock in windows XP I recommend you that you use the utility V.control of Koolsmoky.

And in AM 2.5 don't have the option "GEOMETRY ASSIST" because the drivers the they possess it activated in a native way.

ok?
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jonmistri
Novice

2 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2003 :  18:28:02  Show Profile  Visit jonmistri's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ok, but if Geometry assist is activated in a native way, why is the performance difference?
I get about 100 3dmark 2001se points more in windows me (AM 2.9) with my voodoo 5 5500 PCI than in XP (AM 2.5XP or 3DHQ Beta 10).
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Nightbird
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Posted - 12/03/2003 :  20:34:05  Show Profile  Visit Nightbird's Homepage  Send Nightbird a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
All newer 3dfx Win9x Drivers "third party" and the last 3dfx Win9x reference drivers allow Geometry Assist for Voodoo 3, 4 and 5...

This is a DX7 Emulation performed by the Driver (not by the hardware...), this option emulates the T&L in the driver (with SSE or 3DNow) but only under Win9x or Me and DirX7

Under DirX8, i don't use this option which may not work and sometimes or often can produce bugs

And i'm not sure (because i don't use Win2k or XP) but perhaps the only Drivers that do not have this option functional/implemented are the Win2k/WinXP drivers...i'm not sure that this emulation can work with these OS

Edited by - Nightbird on 12/03/2003 20:39:11
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amp_man
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545 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2003 :  21:19:51  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
geometry assist in windows 200/XP can be found as Force MMX Instructions and Force 3DNOW Intructions for Open GL and Glide, and it isnt available for directx

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Athlon XP 1800+|Voodoo 5 5500 AGP|MSI K7T266-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card
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Nightbird
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Posted - 05/09/2003 :  22:30:51  Show Profile  Visit Nightbird's Homepage  Send Nightbird a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
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Black_Out
Initiate

USA


76 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2003 :  00:01:30  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
In my opinion, that may not be the best post to direct to since there are some useless pages there full of "stuff" other than the topic.
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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2003 :  00:20:34  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You guys clearly don't get it. NO GEOMETRY UNDER NT/2000/XP. If Amiga says it andyou guys don't believe, then what will it take? GOD?

http://pub43.ezboard.com/fx3dfxfrm1.showMessage?topicID=15680.topic

Alot of credible people over there; more credible than cpdubal/BlacK_Out...

| AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz | Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2 | 256mb DDR PC2100 | Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500np>9700pro | Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 | 3dfx VoodooTV 200 PCI | Western Digital 40Gig 7200RPM | Pioneer 106s DVD | LG 52x24x52 CDRW | Cambridge Soundworks/Creative Labs Desktop Theater 5.1 DTT3500 Digital Speakers | Creative IR Remote | WindowsXP Professional SP1 |
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beta
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24 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2003 :  16:16:49  Show Profile  Visit beta's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Geometry assist is 3dfx's proprietary software T&L engine as opposed to microsofts, it is a Direct3D Win9x feature. This option is not available under NT based Operating Systems and is also unavailable when using Glide or OpenGL rendering. It can, apparently, be used as a subsitute for hardware T&L... I believe it makes use of 3D Now! and/or MMX instructions.

AMD Athlon XP 1800+ @ 1533
GA-7VTXE+
512MB DDR 266
3DFX Voodoo 5 5500 AGP ~ Omega 1.03 (1.0 spec, 1x rate) @ 180Mhz
Win98SE
AC '97 Audio
PCI Ultra ATA 133 controller
60 GB 7200 rpm Ultra ATA 133
10 GB 5400 rpm Ultra ATA 66
CDROM 52
CDRW 40 12 48
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qrazi
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Netherlands
214 Posts

Posted - 15/09/2003 :  12:14:23  Show Profile  Visit qrazi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
hmmmz, does that mean that it might be possible to get 3dmark2003 running under win9x? anyone tried that?

*qrazi cant get win98 to run on his K7s5a... :D

ECS K7s5a@ 147 MHz, Athlon XP 1600+@1825+, Voodoo5 5500 @166 MHz
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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 15/09/2003 :  18:25:42  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
umm, not that I know of. Last time I tried running 2k3 with my voodoo, it just kept on restarting my pc...

| AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz | Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2 | 256mb DDR PC2100 | Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500np>9700pro | Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 | 3dfx VoodooTV 200 PCI | Western Digital 40Gig 7200RPM | Pioneer 106s DVD | LG 52x24x52 CDRW | Cambridge Soundworks/Creative Labs Desktop Theater 5.1 DTT3500 Digital Speakers | Creative IR Remote | WindowsXP Professional SP1 |
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Black_Out
Initiate

USA


76 Posts

Posted - 19/09/2003 :  02:46:04  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
OK -- let me get this straight -- you actually tried running 3DMark 2003 on your 3Dfx card - hehehehehehehe!!

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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 19/09/2003 :  04:32:32  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, and so did alot of people when it first came out. That was when 3dhq was still around. But I do believe that one user was able to get it running...

| AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz | Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2 | 256mb DDR PC2100 | Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500np>9700pro | Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 | 3dfx VoodooTV 200 PCI | Western Digital 40Gig 7200RPM | Pioneer 106s DVD | LG 52x24x52 CDRW | Cambridge Soundworks/Creative Labs Desktop Theater 5.1 DTT3500 Digital Speakers | Creative IR Remote | WindowsXP Professional SP1 |
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Black_Out
Initiate

USA


76 Posts

Posted - 19/09/2003 :  07:09:53  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Really? got it running --- that's scary.

Without even installing/running it you know it'd flunk all the tests, considering the voodoo series card doesn't have things like the pixel shader, etc, ect. You'd think it wouldn't be worth it.

Heck - just for ****s and giggles I ran it on my GeForce2PRO -- and even the whole -1- test I could run was dog slow -- go figure though.
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