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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Posted - 08/11/2003 :  16:16:07  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello eveyone!

Finaly I got my 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP 64MB running in my Dual AMD AthlonMP 2200+ with ASUS A7M266-D mobo.

So eventually I installed Amigamerlin 3.0XP for Win2Kpro.

It works perfectly, but I can't find the option: Emulate T&L that I used to have in my older sys: XP2100+ ASUS A7V333Raid + Voodoo5 5500 AGP with Amigamerlin 2.9 for Win 9X.


Is there an update so I can enable Emulate T&L with Amigamerlin 3.0XP under Win2KPro?

Regards,

Obi-Wan Kenobi.


May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.

Nightbird
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Posted - 08/11/2003 :  17:47:51  Show Profile  Visit Nightbird's Homepage  Send Nightbird a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
you can use the utility 3DAnalyzer which emulates perfectly the T&L under Win9x, Me, Win2k, XP

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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Posted - 08/11/2003 :  19:01:07  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nightbird

you can use the utility 3DAnalyzer which emulates perfectly the T&L under Win9x, Me, Win2k, XP

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Thank you very much for your idea. I'll do that right away ;)

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.
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Hiero
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Germany


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Posted - 10/11/2003 :  18:07:39  Show Profile  Visit Hiero's Homepage  Reply with Quote
But how about geometry assistent ? That was originally used in the old 3dfx Tools, but he's right I can't find it in the new ones.
Does anybody have the 3dfx tools with geometry assistent and FSAA demo key ?

< We`ll change the face of 3D graphics... again > 3dfx
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amp_man
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Posted - 11/11/2003 :  04:35:05  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
because of differences in the operating systems, it wasn't present in the 2k/XP version of the tools, only in the 9x/ME versions. AM 2.5se had "Force MMX/3DNOW" commands which were similar to geometry assist in design, but were never completed, so they were removed from AM 3.0.


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|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound|
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Edited by - amp_man on 11/11/2003 04:37:42
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qrazi
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Netherlands
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Posted - 11/11/2003 :  10:11:59  Show Profile  Visit qrazi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
has anyone ever benchmarked 3danalyzers T&L software? does it actually help performance or just compatebility?

ECS K7s5a@ 147 MHz, Athlon XP 1600+@1825+, Voodoo5 5500 @166 MHz
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Posted - 14/11/2003 :  17:15:05  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by qrazi

has anyone ever benchmarked 3danalyzers T&L software? does it actually help performance or just compatebility?

ECS K7s5a@ 147 MHz, Athlon XP 1600+@1825+, Voodoo5 5500 @166 MHz



welll I run Win98SE now with Amigamerlin2.9 and it does have Geometry assist[Emulate T&L] and after setting it up for UT2003, it ran perfectly at reso: 1024x768x32 with Very Hijgh world detail and all the settings at normal. something like between 35 and 40 frames anyway it was very playable.

Only Max Payne2 did a little funny though. the levels in the game itself went okay, I used Reso: 800x600x32 and everything at High detail like Mirrors on, reflections etc..., the game ran smoothly, but poor old Max had no legs and hands!!!

Could there be a solution to this problem, If I disable Geometry Assist Max Payne himself doesn't get any better.

Regards,

Obi-Wan Kenobi.

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.

Edited by - Obi-Wan Kenobi on 14/11/2003 17:18:22
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amp_man
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Posted - 14/11/2003 :  22:04:59  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
settings for max payne that have worked: here, the third post from the bottom is what settings you should use. also check here for more info.


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|Voodoo 5 5500 166MHz@170MHz (AM2.9)|Creative AudioPCI|Netodragon v.92 Modem|
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Posted - 14/11/2003 :  23:24:38  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by amp_man

settings for max payne that have worked: here, the third post from the bottom is what settings you should use. also check here for more info.


Unofficial Ghetto Overclocker
|Abit BH6|PII 350MHz@434MHz|2*128 MB PC133 SDRAM|4.3GB Seagate+40GB Maxtor|
|Voodoo 5 5500 166MHz@170MHz (AM2.9)|Creative AudioPCI|Netodragon v.92 Modem|
"In this place all think voodoo ... if you aren't a voodoo user this is not the right place for you, simple and plain." -AmigaMerlin




Well thanx it' surely is work'n now, man those Voodoo5's kick ass!!!!

Thanx, you just made another 3dfx Fan extreemly happy, since that I have to do a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 comeback presentation at the Computer-Cub tomorrow!!!! You just saved me there.

Huh everyone bought 9700 Pro's for max Payne2, and then I come in with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 and I will show them that 3dfx isn't dead yet!!!

Hail to the king baby!!!

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.

Edited by - Obi-Wan Kenobi on 14/11/2003 23:25:18
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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 15/11/2003 :  04:46:42  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Unofficial Ghetto Overclocker
|Abit BH6|PII 350MHz@434MHz|2*128 MB PC133 SDRAM|4.3GB Seagate+40GB Maxtor|
|Voodoo 5 5500 166MHz@170MHz (AM2.9)|Creative AudioPCI|Netodragon v.92 Modem|
"In this place all think voodoo ... if you aren't a voodoo user this is not the right place for you, simple and plain." -AmigaMerlin



Well thanx it' surely is work'n now, man those Voodoo5's kick ass!!!!

Thanx, you just made another 3dfx Fan extreemly happy, since that I have to do a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 comeback presentation at the Computer-Cub tomorrow!!!! You just saved me there.

quote:

Huh everyone bought 9700 Pro's for max Payne2, and then I come in with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 and I will show them that 3dfx isn't dead yet!!!

Hail to the king baby!!!

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.




lol, duh, the Max Payne 2 engine is the same as the Max Payne 1. All they did was include a few more effects, shaders, etc, as well as including the Havoc physics engine (the same one that's used in HL2), and there you go. So there's no reason why it shouldn't run on a voodoo 5...

Here's a nice little review done by NuAngel:

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=459

| AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz | Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2 | 256mb DDR PC2100 | Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500np>9700pro | Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 | 3dfx VoodooTV 200 PCI | Western Digital 40Gig 7200RPM | Pioneer 106s DVD | LG 52x24x52 CDRW | Cambridge Soundworks/Creative Labs Desktop Theater 5.1 DTT3500 Digital Speakers | Creative IR Remote | WindowsXP Professional SP1 |
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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 15/11/2003 :  04:49:00  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ok, i dunn what the fack happened to the font there...

| AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz | Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2 | 256mb DDR PC2100 | Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500np>9700pro | Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 | 3dfx VoodooTV 200 PCI | Western Digital 40Gig 7200RPM | Pioneer 106s DVD | LG 52x24x52 CDRW | Cambridge Soundworks/Creative Labs Desktop Theater 5.1 DTT3500 Digital Speakers | Creative IR Remote | WindowsXP Professional SP1 |
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Posted - 15/11/2003 :  12:43:18  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lecram25

ok, i dunn what the fack happened to the font there...

| AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz | Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2 | 256mb DDR PC2100 | Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500np>9700pro | Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 | 3dfx VoodooTV 200 PCI | Western Digital 40Gig 7200RPM | Pioneer 106s DVD | LG 52x24x52 CDRW | Cambridge Soundworks/Creative Labs Desktop Theater 5.1 DTT3500 Digital Speakers | Creative IR Remote | WindowsXP Professional SP1 |



Thanx for you help Max Payne is running perfectly now even with Mirrors enabled!

May The Force Be With You...Always.

Ben Kenobi.
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Amigamerlin
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Italy


163 Posts

Posted - 27/11/2003 :  17:30:49  Show Profile  Visit Amigamerlin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by qrazi

has anyone ever benchmarked 3danalyzers T&L software? does it actually help performance or just compatebility?

ECS K7s5a@ 147 MHz, Athlon XP 1600+@1825+, Voodoo5 5500 @166 MHz



3D Analyzer help in compatibility issue !!.. it permit to start Games that require T&L. I remember you all tha Thoms (the author of 3D Analyzer) joined our team then some good news can come out shortly !!

By the way something is already happened .. Now Spiderman the Movie, a good games, that require T&l to start now works nearly perfect without graphics problem (with a new 3da in beta stage) or mený corruption!! then T&L emulation are works correctly for this games !!

Bye

Amigamerlin
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