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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  01:05:48  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
to bring up a topic from faconfly.de, would it be possible to create software anti-ailsing for the V4 to give it 4 sample AA, much like my Geforce 2 uses?


This would be futile...EXTREMELY!
4xAA on the Voodoo 5 is slow as it is...then why would you go do that to the Voodoo4, which only has 1 VSA 100...but yes, it would be possible...

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Edited by - lecram25 on 21/10/2003 01:07:30
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amp_man
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545 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  01:19:43  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I said software antiailsing, doesn't that mean that it's done be the CPU (I'm not positive, but fairly sure)? Also, the geforce 2 only has 1 GPU, although its core clock is a little faster (200mhz,@215), and the RAM is slower (333, @350).


when the sun goes down, the music turns up...
|Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(Radeon 9500 en route)|MSI K7T266Pro2-A|
|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound|
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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  01:22:38  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, software...remember, "effects" done in software are slower than those done in hardware...so if 4xAA is dirt slow on a Voodoo5, I can assure you it's gonna be as slow, if not incredibly slower on a Voodoo4...you do the math...

| AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz | Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2 | 256mb DDR PC2100 | Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500np>9700pro | Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 | 3dfx VoodooTV 200 PCI | Western Digital 40Gig 7200RPM | Pioneer 106s DVD | LG 52x24x52 CDRW | Cambridge Soundworks/Creative Labs Desktop Theater 5.1 DTT3500 Digital Speakers | Creative IR Remote | WindowsXP Professional SP1 |
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amp_man
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545 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  01:28:21  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
but wouldn't it also, theoretically (not taking into consideration the difference in GPUs and drivers, which probably makes all the difference) be slow on my GF2? but it isn't...


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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  01:30:34  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Remember, the GF2 has HW TnL, DDR Ram, and, I think, more bandwidth than the Voodoo4/5...

| AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz | Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2 | 256mb DDR PC2100 | Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500np>9700pro | Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 | 3dfx VoodooTV 200 PCI | Western Digital 40Gig 7200RPM | Pioneer 106s DVD | LG 52x24x52 CDRW | Cambridge Soundworks/Creative Labs Desktop Theater 5.1 DTT3500 Digital Speakers | Creative IR Remote | WindowsXP Professional SP1 |
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amp_man
Experienced

545 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  01:52:01  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Geforce 2 GTS specs:
Memory Interface: 32mb 128-bit DDR
Pixels per Second: 800 Million
Memory Bandwidth: 5.3GB/s
Triangles per Second: >25 Million
GPU:200mhz RAM:333mhz

what are the specs on a V4, just for comparison?
here's what I know:
Memory Interface: 32mb 128-bit SDRAM
Pixels per second: 333-367 Million
GPU:166mhz RAM:350mhz

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...
|Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(Radeon 9500 en route)|MSI K7T266Pro2-A|
|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound|
"In this place all think voodoo ... if you aren't a voodoo user this is not the right place for you, simple and plain." -AmigaMerlin

Edited by - amp_man on 21/10/2003 01:54:52
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Cyberpunk 2027
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Australia


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Posted - 21/10/2003 :  03:22:16  Show Profile  Visit Cyberpunk 2027's Homepage  Click to see Cyberpunk 2027's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Hey Lecram i all it was was a stuff up when i logged on and it reset my dob and pic (i wondered why it never showed..

Just for the record where are you student and what's your age...
And how far through your studies are you..

Now back to the real serious stuff..
Is it actually possible to piggyback the ram or do you need to modd the card evn more???

And Lecram if you feel a need to reply please could you attempt to be civil about it PLEASE...

Thanx in advance to any and all for thier input..


Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them...

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PhoZy
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Posted - 21/10/2003 :  13:41:38  Show Profile  Visit PhoZy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Since modifying the v5500 to 128meg is possible,i was wondering if moding it will be a major feat anot,as if ulook carefully at the pins sticking out of the ram,is too fine will that be very difficut to unsolder?Next is i think all sort of sd-ram should be able to use as since the design should be the same.
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amp_man
Experienced

545 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  20:55:46  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
@Phozy
modifying the V5 to 128 would be possible, but it would be a very delicate and time consuming process. lets see, about 45 pins per side of an sd-ram chip, less than 1mm apart and really hard to even count, let alone sodier, times 2 sides, times 8 chips, that's (45*2*8)= about 720 pins to sodier, none of which can touch another. I do sodiering quite a bit, and I really doubt Hiero's story.

EDIT: @Cyberpunk: 2 things, first off, you initiated it, you came out directly challenging lecram. he's cool at the moment, lets hope he stays that way. second, at 32, you would have been 8 years old when that PC came out, you must be rediculous to expect us to believe that, PCs weren't PCs they were Geek-Cs, not for 8 year olds. and a third thing, good luck on getting that 6000, last one on ebay went for like $1500 USD.

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...
|Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(Radeon 9500 en route)|MSI K7T266Pro2-A|
|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound|
"In this place all think voodoo ... if you aren't a voodoo user this is not the right place for you, simple and plain." -AmigaMerlin

Edited by - amp_man on 22/10/2003 03:46:39
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bloodworm
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USA


278 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  23:47:20  Show Profile  Visit bloodworm's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Piggy backing the ram IS possible, just need to bend one pin up and attach the last address line to it (and not both rams). There are a few hardware mods that Hank was working on last I read on x3dfx ezboard site, that I don't think Hank has perfected yet. I believe that one of the mods was near impossible to pull off because the attachment was under the VSA100's. The real problem for me is finding the larger ram for sale. I found some ram with the same exact pinout, with the one added address line which is a no connect on the original rams, but no one has a small quantity to buy...... Also a bit faster than the original rams. I have access to a surface mount person here in the lab, and he says it would be much easier to remove the original rams and solder the larger new ones on directly to the board......
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amp_man
Experienced

545 Posts

Posted - 22/10/2003 :  02:16:56  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
can you give a link to hanks thread on x3dfx?


when the sun goes down, the music turns up...
|Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(Radeon 9500 en route)|MSI K7T266Pro2-A|
|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound|
"In this place all think voodoo ... if you aren't a voodoo user this is not the right place for you, simple and plain." -AmigaMerlin
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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 22/10/2003 :  03:02:12  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nope, it's gone...too long ago...

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qrazi
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Netherlands
214 Posts

Posted - 22/10/2003 :  10:35:40  Show Profile  Visit qrazi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by amp_man

@Phozy
modifying the V5 to 128 would be possible, but it would be a very delicate and time consuming process. lets see, about 45 pins per side of an sd-ram chip, less than 1mm apart and really hard to even count, let alone sodier, times 2 sides, times 8 chips, that's (45*2*8)= about 720 pins to sodier, none of which can touch another. I do sodiering quite a bit, and I really doubt Hiero's story.



i dont doubt it. i think it is entirely possible. if i remember correctly, it has already been done by someone on the x3dfx boards a few years back (when i still visited.. :) )

another example of great soldering skills: some japanese guy took of the l2 chache chips of his p2 450 and soldered some new, faster chips on it. he then could clock considerably faster.


ECS K7s5a@ 147 MHz, Athlon XP 1600+@1825+, Voodoo5 5500 @166 MHz
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Hiero
Novice

Germany


42 Posts

Posted - 22/10/2003 :  14:56:08  Show Profile  Visit Hiero's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That the guy from x3dfxgamers modded the Voodoo5 is not confirmed yet as he never posted a pic. As he says his father owns a company which does electrical engineering. If that's true modding the card ( soldering the 720 pins ) should be possible. I think you need machines and you can't do that with your hands as the soldering points are simply too small.

< We`ll change the face of 3D graphics... again > 3dfx
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PhoZy
Novice

16 Posts

Posted - 22/10/2003 :  15:16:18  Show Profile  Visit PhoZy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So as long the ram has 45pins per side will that be workable on the voodoo 5500?I propaly will start looking for them.btw,i d/l the the 3dfx source code today and found out that the v5500 support sgram?will that give me better performance and wat if i cant find 16meg chips and only 32megs chips are avalible can i use them? And will the card recongise them and take advantages of them,and so in theory that means each vsa100 will have an wopping 128meg memory avaliable to them.
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