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Black_Out
Initiate

USA


76 Posts

Posted - 06/10/2003 :  06:47:54  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hee hee hee...the 9500 will definately solve the problem.

I wasn't arguing with you - sorry if it sounded like was directing it at you - I was directing it at lecream and q-wrapper or whatever the name was.

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Knuckles
Average

Canada
126 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2003 :  03:53:59  Show Profile  Visit Knuckles's Homepage  Click to see Knuckles's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
This is getting too much off-topic. please get back to the main topic discution.

About that, how are going stuffs Hank?

Edited by - Knuckles on 07/10/2003 03:54:31
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Hiero
Novice

Germany


42 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2003 :  02:18:28  Show Profile  Visit Hiero's Homepage  Reply with Quote
At x3dfxgamers.de a guy already equipped a Voodoo5 5500 with 128MB of 5ns ram. It runs with 200MHz and has about 15 frames more than the
normal V5 in some applications. ( We called it Voodoo 5800 ;) )
It's still being tested....

And 1,5V support could be done through a AGP to AGP converter. ( ??? )
The only thing you need is a Motherboard with agp and a graphics card ( you better take a Geforce cause you need to cut the agp off )
connect the agp part from the graphics card with the agp slot and convert te voltage from 3.3 to 1.5... No idea if that would work...

The Best thing would probably be to enable a SLI of Voodoo5 cards.
So you could take 4 Voodoo5 PCI for example. I asked for that at Voodooalert but everybody said it would have to be done in Hardware.

That may be still possible but how can 2 AGP cards be connected in SLI ? Or an AGP to dual AGP converter ?



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mcmagostini
Initiate

Brazil


64 Posts

Posted - 10/10/2003 :  17:12:25  Show Profile  Visit mcmagostini's Homepage  Send mcmagostini an ICQ Message  Click to see mcmagostini's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
hi all,
that's my fisrt post here.

I actually think v5 SLI would be more practical.

greetings,
mcmagostini
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Rolo01
Experienced

Germany


508 Posts

Posted - 10/10/2003 :  17:41:35  Show Profile  Visit Rolo01's Homepage  Reply with Quote
@ Hiero

Are you sure that story about a V5-5500 with 128MB Ram is true ?
There was lots of trouble lately at x3dfxgamers so I dont know what to believe, especially when dealing with Gulli...
Where did he get the memory, which kind was it ?
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bloodworm
Average

USA


278 Posts

Posted - 11/10/2003 :  00:05:21  Show Profile  Visit bloodworm's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hank,

My picks are

1. 4X (really just 1.5V at 2x would work for me) first. been thinking about upgrading my system, but I am an Intel head from way back and don't have a PCI v5. We could just buy a level conversion kit that would work in the AGP slot, but the ones that I have run across have been very expensive $$$.

2. more memory (and faster too). I have a guy here in the lab that can do the mods for me. I know what part to use, but don't have a source for the ram chips. also, what else needs to be done to the board to make the VSA-100's see the extra ram? I know that the BIOS is already ready for the 64Mb per chip (hehe) and that you have already done some of the legwork for the mods here.

I didn't realize that there was power on the inside planes of the V5 where the slot should be, good thing I did'nt go a cuttin yet. What is the part Number and source for the AGP adapter that you found? And what other signals are you concerned about that may be out of voltage spec that I can research for you here?
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beta
Novice

24 Posts

Posted - 16/10/2003 :  02:18:00  Show Profile  Visit beta's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Black_OutFact: Voodoo 5 - 64MB total memory - shared between both TMUs, capable of texture compression.


I believe you are confused, the single VSA-100 chip has 2 texture unit's, the Voodoo 5 is simply 2 VSA-100's in SLI on a single PCB, this is 4 TMU's in total.

And still the 1.5V/3.3V signalling confuses. The SLI AGP 'Napalm' config will not allow true AGP operation. This is dictated by the Intel AGP 1.0 specification. Where the master chip cannot be assigned the card defaults into PCI 66 mode. I will not run in 4x AGP or even 2x AGP. And all this is largely pointless as execute mode is unsupported as has already been said. Any signalling voltage modification would be purely for compatibility reasons, not to make the card miraculously go into 4x AGP DIME transfer.

The Voodoo 5 5500 AGP was mounted on the 3.3V AGP 1.0 spec PCB for this very reason, 3dfx shipped it without the bridge controller and knew full well it would only run as a PCI 66 device, so why bother with a 1.5V/3.3V AGP 2.0 (1x, 2x, 4x) Universal PCB like that of the Voodoo4, it would never run as 2x let alone 4x... so as a result they did not.

Also note: In 3dfx tools (or your frontend) you can set the AGP mode to ('SSTH3_AGP_XRATE') 2x rate but it does nothing.

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bloodworm
Average

USA


278 Posts

Posted - 16/10/2003 :  22:17:54  Show Profile  Visit bloodworm's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, the card will still run in the 1x/2x mode (who cares what speed since the card doesn't even use the AGP features), but all we really want to do is stick the card in a REAL Intel motherboard (not some crappy clone) and see what a Pentium IV enabled V5 5500 AGP will do...... I suppose we could fork out the big bucks and just buy a real Intel server type motherboard with one or two PCI66 slots and go out and buy an overpriced V5 5500 PCI, but really, who wants to spend any more money just to run a V5 PCI card?
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Cyberpunk 2027
Novice

Australia


13 Posts

Posted - 20/10/2003 :  09:23:30  Show Profile  Visit Cyberpunk 2027's Homepage  Click to see Cyberpunk 2027's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Hiya Lecram i'm 1 of those n00bs you mentioned b4 just a quick lesson in life just bcoz you haven't posted b4 does NOT mean that you know nothing..
I've been playing with and into computers since 1979 with my Vic 20 and a datasette..
So please will you leave the topic alone and post meaningful post's..

Sorry all for that but i have just read the whole thread from start and i have to say bravo Hank you are indeed a techno god...
All Hail..
I own 2 voodoo 2's an 8mb and a 12mb and they are working just fine in a IBM Aptiva K6-2-400 with 512mb ram
I also own a Banshee 16mb Ref card that lives in my mum inlaw's pII 300 with 256mb ram
I also own a Voodoo 5 5500 that lives in my GF's AMD 2000+ with 256mb PC2700
Sadly i can't use my V5 in my system due to the AGP slot not supporting it.. (1.5/3.3 debate and all that)
I also plan to Get my hands on a Voodoo 5 6000 soon..
My main concern is can you just piggyback the same type of Hyundai 5ns SDram or is there something blocking that from being done...
Please excuse my rambles...


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PhoZy
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16 Posts

Posted - 20/10/2003 :  12:05:34  Show Profile  Visit PhoZy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
huank,after hearing abt implementing 128meg of ram on the voodoo 5500,if it is possible,wat sort of memory modules could be use and can we use ddr memory modules on it?And as for 2xVoodoo 5500,i think that would not very feasible as these cards would be very hard to find now adays.
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Hiero
Novice

Germany


42 Posts

Posted - 20/10/2003 :  16:46:03  Show Profile  Visit Hiero's Homepage  Reply with Quote
In general the VSA-100 does support 64MB of memory, so a Voodoo5 5500 would support 128MB. You can't upgrade with DDR memory, the first chip to support DDR memory was the VSA-101 which you can usally find only on Daytona cards. (Very rare) Only normal SD-ram could be taken and it has to be the same design as the old memory. The best SD memory in this design has about 4 ns and would allow 250MHz instead of the 166MHz of the normal 6 ns.
The difficulty is to get such memory with a size of 16MB per Chip.
(8 x 16 = 128) They are rare and companys who sell them are only interessted in selling a big amount.
The last thing would be the bios which would have to be changed. Maybe the memory size must be changed (as far as I know even the bios does support 128MB ram) but at least the ns should be changed, so that the Voodoo can take a bigger advantage.


< We`ll change the face of 3D graphics... again > 3dfx
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NitroX infinity
Average

Netherlands
352 Posts

Posted - 20/10/2003 :  17:24:59  Show Profile  Visit NitroX infinity's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What about SGRAM? Wouldn't it be possible to implement that?
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Hiero
Novice

Germany


42 Posts

Posted - 20/10/2003 :  20:25:39  Show Profile  Visit Hiero's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes indeed. If you sacrifice a Voodoo5 5000 AGP or PCI you could equip the card with sg ram as it is another memory layout. And I think you can't get sg-ram which has that less ns as 4ns sd-ram has. Why should anyone take sg-ram ? There is nearly no difference in the performance.


< We`ll change the face of 3D graphics... again > 3dfx
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lecram25
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USA
327 Posts

Posted - 20/10/2003 :  23:40:25  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Hiya Lecram i'm 1 of those n00bs you mentioned b4 just a quick lesson in life just bcoz you haven't posted b4 does NOT mean that you know nothing..
I've been playing with and into computers since 1979 with my Vic 20 and a datasette..
So please will you leave the topic alone and post meaningful post's..


n00b? I never called you a n00b. lol...I was talking about amp_man and BlacK_Out/cpdubal...

Since 1979??? lmfao...you're 13yrs old!!! Might wanna recheck your profile...

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amp_man
Experienced

545 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2003 :  00:59:34  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
lecram, you truly are a f00l, its his first post he's just trying to catch you before you get on his back, just like you do everyone else. i think thats an error in his profile, notice that he also does off-road driving, i'm not sure if 13 year-olds can drive in austratia, but...anyways, we're getting off-topic. to bring up a topic from faconfly.de, would it be possible to create software anti-ailsing for the V4 to give it 4 sample AA, much like my Geforce 2 uses? and hank, I know you don't do software, this isn't addressed to you necessarily


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