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Black_Out
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Posted - 18/09/2003 :  23:18:54  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lecram25

quote:
Would you be able to at some point in time get the Voodoo 4/5s to support these features, if at all

-Tesselation
-AGP DIME/DMA (w/new GART support as well)
-AGP Fastwrites support
-Gloss Mapping
-Vertex Blending
-Speculative read/write
-Anisotropic Filter
-Texture thrashing
-OpenGL 1.4


The VSA100 can only do upto OpenGL 1.2. And you're asking the wrong guy for these features. Hank is a HARDWARE guy. And last time I checked, AF was software based...

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I am asking anyone - this question was not directed at you but to the experts on this site that do the programming, etc. with the drivers, I am sorry you feel that I have directed it only to you.

Ok, well I can uncderstand the anti-alisaing/Anio filtering, etc. but what's to say that it's limited to OpenGL 1.2?

And what about the other features that I mentioned? I woulde be interested to see if those are doable or not.

Thanks,
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Black_Out
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Posted - 19/09/2003 :  07:16:57  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I should re-word some of that.

AGP - AnisoTropic - I get why it isn't possible

But OpenGL 1.4 - why - technically can't it be done -- I know basically why -- but what are the technical reasons that the voodoo 5's can't do past 1.2?

And how about the other features I mentioned -- I am looking for in-depth technical answers - becuase I am really curious and I love tehc. specs -- hey what can I say -- it's my thing.

All I have gotten so far is just real simple reason why -- I needs my techincal reason becuase I love that kinda stuff

Peasce -- out.

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lecram25
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Posted - 19/09/2003 :  09:25:09  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well for one reason, I believe that ogl 1.4 requires some form of shaders with which the VSA 100 cannot do.

http://www.quantum3d.com/products/AAlchemy/aalchemy.html

quote:
Support for per-pixel atmospheric effects with simultaneous OpenGL® V1.2 API-compliant alpha blending and hardware support for non-linear fog table



That should be a good enough answer for the ogl...
Then again, you could probably say that the Alchemy systems are outdated...well look on the main page, and you'll that in july this year, Boeing has chosen the Alchemy system for a simulation setup.
Also, try asking the question in the discussion forum at x3dfx. Alot more people browse that forum. You might get more answers in a shorter amount of time.

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Black_Out
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Posted - 19/09/2003 :  10:03:09  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
OK -- now that is what I was looking for.

I think I'll just leave this question on this forum becuase I bet the answers point to something grim.

I doubt a lot of this can be done -- go figure outdated hardware that wasn't meant to be programmable (not the video cards are).

Just day dreaming about how much better that card could be I guess.

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amp_man
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Posted - 22/09/2003 :  00:49:17  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
NEW SUGGESTION: Is anyone in here an electronics technician? My dad is, and he explained that my idea is possible, but he doesn't have the time to do anything with it. Anyways, my idea is to create a mod that will convert the .8/1.5 volts given by some motherboards to the 3.3v required by the V5. this would probably be easiest attained by removing the old connectors and rewiring in new ones, or by "covering up" the old connectors and using them to feed the new voltage to the card. At least that's what he said, I have no idea how that would actually work.

[EDIT] I guess my idea isn't as new as i thought, seems beta already brought it up. still seems like it's something that should be addressed

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Edited by - amp_man on 22/09/2003 00:54:48
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lecram25
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Posted - 22/09/2003 :  02:21:27  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You really need to start reading threads properly and give credit to those that deserve it...

quote:
Hi All,

I am going to start working on VSA 100 based projects (mods).

I would like to get some feedback, what you would like to see first.

1) V5 AGP 4X slot support
2) V5 more memory
3) 2x V5 SLI
4) 2x V5 6000 SLI

If you have any ideas your self, please post them. I will take a look at the feasibility.

Hank


Notice project #1 : 1) V5 AGP 4X slot support

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Knuckles
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Posted - 22/09/2003 :  04:08:29  Show Profile  Visit Knuckles's Homepage  Click to see Knuckles's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I would say more memory because I (will) have the PCI version. Also, I'm almost sure that it isn't really possible but, ...tv-out???

agp 4X 1.5V would be great but I already have a AGP card (GF4 MX). except if you can find me a AMD Mobo with 2 AGP slots

2X V5 SLI... we will have to but another V5 If I knew, I would had buy 2 instead of only 1.

but yeah, maybe +64MB (128MB) and maybe accelerate mem speed(DDR?)?

Edited by - Knuckles on 22/09/2003 04:10:50
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amp_man
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Posted - 22/09/2003 :  22:56:47  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lecram25

You really need to start reading threads properly and give credit to those that deserve it...
-cut-
Notice project #1 : [/b]1) V5 AGP 4X slot support[/b]

lecram25, i'm assuming that was aimed at me. Are you inteding to imply that 4x support requires 1.5V slot support? My V5 is in a 4X slot, and although it doesn't run at 4X, it hasn't burned up yet, so I'm assuming that the slot is 3.3V. My motherboard is an MSI K7T266Pro2-A(http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=320), if u care to do the research.




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lecram25
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Posted - 22/09/2003 :  23:06:45  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
From the link you provided:

quote:
* One AGP slot
- AGP (Accelerated Graphics Port) specification compliant
- Supports AGP 2.0 1x/2x/4x


I think you just stuck your foot in your own mouth

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Black_Out
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Posted - 23/09/2003 :  00:21:47  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Look my little vous fanatique de cocaļne, The voodoo 5 series supports AGP but dosen't support the advanced functionality like DIME, etc.

No need to be nasty about it, and I see no feet in anyone's mouth.

quote:
Originally posted by lecram25

From the link you provided:

quote:
* One AGP slot
- AGP (Accelerated Graphics Port) specification compliant
- Supports AGP 2.0 1x/2x/4x


I think you just stuck your foot in your own mouth

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lecram25
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Posted - 23/09/2003 :  00:39:13  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What I mean, for those of you who need it spelt out, is that ampman's motherboard is backwards compatable, hence the reason the v5 with work. Hell, hence the reason it even physicaly fits in the agp port, since it lacks the AGP4x notch. The Voodoo5 will not work in AGP 4x/8x motherboards. And even if it fits, you'll most probabaly fry the card as well as the motherboard. The only 3dfx card that will work is the Voodoo 4 4500 and Daytonas. That's what Hank is trying to do; jury-rig the v5 so that it'd work in newer motherboards...

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Edited by - lecram25 on 23/09/2003 00:40:39
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Black_Out
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Posted - 23/09/2003 :  01:17:17  Show Profile  Visit Black_Out's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, you can't expect us all to be perfect 100% of the time, if we aren't you get mad.

Why do you let this stuff eat at you, and then you get nasty about it? why? what's the point? You remeber the last several times this happened - disaterous, let's not go there lecram. Peace -- be cool -- it'll be allright, it ain't all that bad. Let's be nice, please.

So -anyways- I have decided to post these questions I had about:

-Tesselation
-AGP DIME/DMA (w/new GART support as well)
-AGP Fastwrites support
-Gloss Mapping
-Vertex Blending
-Speculative read/write
-Anisotropic Filter
-Texture thrashing
-OpenGL 1.4

To x3dfx forums:
http://pub43.ezboard.com/fx3dfxfrm1.showMessage?topicID=15827.topic
since that board is read by a ton more people.

I find it interesting to talk about this stuff.
Can ya tell I am a techie?

quote:
Originally posted by lecram25

What I mean, for those of you who need it spelt out, is that ampman's motherboard is backwards compatable, hence the reason the v5 with work. Hell, hence the reason it even physicaly fits in the agp port, since it lacks the AGP4x notch. The Voodoo5 will not work in AGP 4x/8x motherboards. And even if it fits, you'll most probabaly fry the card as well as the motherboard. The only 3dfx card that will work is the Voodoo 4 4500 and Daytonas. That's what Hank is trying to do; jury-rig the v5 so that it'd work in newer motherboards...

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lecram25
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Posted - 23/09/2003 :  01:30:44  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't wanna start up with you. I don't wanna fight. I just get a little frustrated when people ask these question that are almost general knowledge. For god's sake, it has been three years! What gets me even more is when the same people start saying stuff that makes them seem even more "dumb". Not to flame, but that whole AGP4x thingy seems pretty obvious...
Bloodworm, where are you? You seem to be the support guy in most of these cases...
BlacK_Out, I have one piece of advice for you, it's nice that you posted over at x3dfx. Not only because there are more people, but because a lot of x3dfx employees go there, as well as alot of people who've worked on drivers and the like. Since the demise of 3dhq, a lot of people "flocked" over there and sorta "joined forces".
Your questions will be answered, but a little warning, don't get too hostile with people over there like you did with me on the whole Geometry Assist fiasco, because people WILL give you a peice of their mind...just some advice...

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Edited by - lecram25 on 23/09/2003 01:32:12
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amp_man
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Posted - 23/09/2003 :  04:01:26  Show Profile  Visit amp_man's Homepage  Reply with Quote
dude, from what you said (I quoted it above) it sounded like you were saying that in order to go into a slot that supported 4X, the voodoo would have to be 1.5V, and I was simply stating that it didn't have to be, cause my slot is 4x and 3.3v. and btw, I haven't been doing this for 3 years, I haven't been so intrigued as to memorized all the functions that my V5 includes/doesn't include, and I certainly haven't taken the time to figure out what voltage goes where. I have a life, and a job, and school, and no time to research such matters to no end. the only thing you own, lecram, is a lot of wasted time

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lecram25
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Posted - 23/09/2003 :  05:52:01  Show Profile  Visit lecram25's Homepage  Reply with Quote
lol, you fool, I'm majoring in Electrical and Computer Engineering. I study this stuff; so hardly a waste of time...And what I meant by 3 years was that it's been three since 3dfx has been gone, get it right...THIS SHOULD BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

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Edited by - lecram25 on 23/09/2003 06:01:44
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