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jix-reggio
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France
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Posted - 20/01/2017 :  23:08:52  Show Profile  Visit jix-reggio's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As the 1014x768 score seemed weak for gaming
I ran the bench at a lower resolution : 800x600.
Looks better.
Fillrate seems to be a bottleneck, but geometry looks fine
with 8,7 M - 5,4 M polygons/second.
I quicly tested overclock of 3 parameters to increase my score.
Cpu speed, V5 i/o speed and ddr2 latency.
Higher Cpu and i/o helps, but lower ddr2 latency doesn't.

Bench 800x600 2087 points.


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jix-reggio
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France
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Posted - 22/01/2017 :  10:12:17  Show Profile  Visit jix-reggio's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Unstoppable ?
Not sure on 3dm2003 ...

https://youtu.be/-Ln4va_H608
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Posted - 26/01/2017 :  07:04:49  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well to be very honest this is nothing special even has no real point on doing either.
All because everything with the help of software emulation will get every card working with shaders, no matter if it's 3dfx based S3, ATi, NVIDIA, Trident or even SiS based, principles are the same.

Although I find these experiments useless, pointless and a pure waste of time, they have nothing really to do on what a V5 can do ina modern OS because it's all running in software mode, every VGA card can do that with the help of emulation software, software you are hiding from your inaccurate videos, rather sloppy work imo

3dfx cards are made to run games that make use of the 3dfx Glide API, most 3dfx die-hards won't really care or find it useful to use a modern new gen OS for such an old card, this isn't anything new for that part either.
My reply may be bold and careless, that is because it is well from my end, but since we have seen similar useless projects, this just feels like one of those threads all over again and it gets boring, old and dull.
It's that I am very to the point on what I find about things and I will say them as I review them, people that dislike this will have to deal with it

And hey, ya can't like everything, right

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Edited by - Obi-Wan Kenobi on 26/01/2017 07:10:43
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jix-reggio
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France
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Posted - 26/01/2017 :  23:21:24  Show Profile  Visit jix-reggio's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You know, I have shared here all the data since July with the driver model on screens, but looks like some believed it was a fake and no one even seems have tried.

I was satisfied with a good 2D experience and a V5 running and surfing with the last OS. I no longer play games and during these months I had not even taken the time to test 3D.

In December, I was surprised when Glide asked me for more information, so I tested more and I send him some data. If he wrote this news he must be sure what he says.

"Software you are hiding from your inaccurate videos". I repeat : there is no hidden software, just the generic driver.

"Well to be very honest this is nothing special even ... "
This point you're right. There's nothing special in what I did, and anyone just had to 'waste' a little time to experiment.

Is it useful ? My purpose was just to share. 5,000 have click on the 3dm2000 video, maybe some will find it useless, some others useful.
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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550 Posts

Posted - 27/01/2017 :  09:14:53  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jix-reggio

You know, I have shared here all the data since July with the driver model on screens, but looks like some believed it was a fake and no one even seems have tried.

I was satisfied with a good 2D experience and a V5 running and surfing with the last OS. I no longer play games and during these months I had not even taken the time to test 3D.

In December, I was surprised when Glide asked me for more information, so I tested more and I send him some data. If he wrote this news he must be sure what he says.

"Software you are hiding from your inaccurate videos". I repeat : there is no hidden software, just the generic driver.

"Well to be very honest this is nothing special even ... "
This point you're right. There's nothing special in what I did, and anyone just had to 'waste' a little time to experiment.

Is it useful ? My purpose was just to share. 5,000 have click on the 3dm2000 video, maybe some will find it useless, some others useful.



And still I find this test absolutely pointless, software mode or not, anything can be emulated in software mode as said, if it were rendered with 3D acceleration then it would be something new, but as said this is nothing new under the horizon.

It's just an other pointless experiment, I am a die hard x-3dfx user & ex-collector, most of us 3dfx people used our cards for things they were made for, what you are doing is pointless and senseless, Win10 doesn't even support 3dfx Glide API, the one thing you'd use a 3dfx card for, thus this is goalless.

Win 98SE + Un-Official SP 2.3+ & Win2k Pro + SP4 are the best Operating Systems for your 3dfx cards, WinXPPro + SP3 can seem as a useful alternative, well for some, but anything later than that isn't worth it.

What is your real gain with this anyways? Why 2D? Why not try to find out to get 3D working instead?

3dfx made 3D accelerators for 3D effects in games, for 2D we had Matrox, PowerVR, NVIDIA, S3 & ATi for that part.

My Radeons & GeForce cards can do 2D as can my Matrox Cards S3 Cards and PowerVR cards can likewise.

Also I didn't see 5000 comments, just two, could be that 4998 of those people were probably not interested or surprised and didn't bother posting, but anyways, I was hoping for new research, not some redone thing many other newbies have shown.

Also 3D Mark Doesn't even have a software mode! So to get that working, you probably of used an alternative dedicated program to make that even plausible.

Sorry man, but you would have to be a lot clearer on what you really used over just leaving somethings out and making it all look spotless.

But then again my comment is what it is, as being this is a forum negative comments can happen and this is one of them.

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Edited by - Obi-Wan Kenobi on 27/01/2017 09:30:21
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jix-reggio
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France
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Posted - 27/01/2017 :  12:31:45  Show Profile  Visit jix-reggio's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A Negative comment but full of emotion.
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Posted - 27/01/2017 :  14:20:40  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jix-reggio

A Negative comment but full of emotion.



Incorrect full of question more like it, that is if you read my post fully, yet I have doubts that you even did
Your posts lack the needed info that puts them to logical sense.
Hence my replies.

So I ask for the thirst time explain how exactly you got these tests to work without the need of emulation?
There is in no way a V5 can do pixel shader & EMBM tests, so far you have not succeeded to explain how.

It's that I ask you simple questions of info that is missing from your hypothesis..
Yet all you do is you come with defensive nonsense, rather than the logics that describe your so called tests wiih the needed accuracy.

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Edited by - Obi-Wan Kenobi on 27/01/2017 14:30:58
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jix-reggio
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Posted - 27/01/2017 :  20:47:36  Show Profile  Visit jix-reggio's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My first video was called "3dfx Voodoo5 runs on last OS". A fact that everyone can verify himself as it is clearly explained in the new written by Glide.

Six months after, I posted "3dfx V5 performs 3dm2000" where I said @2.22 : " Offering a large range of emulated features this driver (W10 generic Vga) can keep your Voodoo5 alive... etc.".

Seems neither you look at it, nor you experiment before judging the article as "pointless, waste of time, etc".

About 3dm2000 / 2001, you know that's outdated software, it recognized the E7500 as 'PIII' and offered me 3 settings to run the test : T&L software, D3D hardware, or D3D pure hardware. I tried them, and the best performance came with D3D pure hardware.
As a 3D-Analyze connoiseur, you know that a Voodoo can't perform shaders in hardware and needs emulation, whatever setting I choose emulation was ON.

There is no conspiracy here and it is useless to speak here in an unpleasant way.

Edited by - jix-reggio on 28/01/2017 00:21:17
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SuperFurryFurryThing
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Posted - 27/01/2017 :  21:37:52  Show Profile  Visit SuperFurryFurryThing's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Did anyone test the sfft 32 bit driver on 32 bit operating systems later than Win 7. if they have maintained the legacy driver support that was in windows 7 and it is the only display adapter it might just work.

Sfft
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jix-reggio
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Posted - 27/01/2017 :  22:59:20  Show Profile  Visit jix-reggio's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello, could your driver match to the WDDM 1.3 from MS ?
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
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550 Posts

Posted - 28/01/2017 :  01:01:29  Show Profile  Visit Obi-Wan Kenobi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jix-reggio

My first video was called "3dfx Voodoo5 runs on last OS". A fact that everyone can verify himself as it is clearly explained in the new written by Glide.

Six months after, I posted "3dfx V5 performs 3dm2000" where I said @2.22 : " Offering a large range of emulated features this driver (W10 generic Vga) can keep your Voodoo5 alive... etc.".

Seems neither you look at it, nor you experiment before judging the article as "pointless, waste of time, etc".

About 3dm2000 / 2001, you know that's outdated software, it recognized the E7500 as 'PIII' and offered me 3 settings to run the test : T&L software, D3D hardware, or D3D pure hardware. I tried them, and the best performance came with D3D pure hardware.
As a 3D-Analyze connoiseur, you know that a Voodoo can't perform shaders in hardware and needs emulation, whatever setting I choose emulation was ON.

There is no conspiracy here and it is useless to speak here in an unpleasant way.



Just the info that was lacking and I did watch your video's I even replied to one of them even that reply wasn't kind, just my reaction that this isn't really all to special sorry to hurt your feelings it just isn't. But other than that my bad for my bold reactions.

I Saw this as one of those multiple hard to believe wannabe threads and we had so many of such topics, but then again the only interesting factor of this project of your is that you got things to work in software mode as Win10, that you got 3D mark to run well this program isn't really opted for 3dfx cards it's quite inaccurate on how it tests things, I am not much of a 3D mark fan myself the games tell me much more, 3D Mark lacks Glide API as well lel.

Also how Win10 sees your VGA card as a standard VGA adapter and you got some things to run, yeah nice; but again everything would run in software mode since software can emulate everything, that is if the hardware in the used system allows that and the same for the OS.
That is the only way you got Pixel Shader / Vertex shader & T&L tests run on the V5, there is no other possible way, forget it.

But other than that this is kind of useless, since Win10 isn't made to run old games especially with Glide API. Win10 has very bad legacy support afaik MS removed Legacy support in Winn10 for the most of it.

Want a good new gen OS try Win7, SFFT did manage to make a driver for Win7 but then again still not an OS of choice if you want optimal glide performance from any Voodoo card.
Most people I know in the 3dfx community sticks to older operating systems to play 3dfx glide games, as they still give the best results.

So you can say what you like as your research goes, that is all fine. Each to their own for that matter anyways.
I myself don't really interest such projects, they don't offer much usable options.
But yeah you got Win10 working on a V5 but other than that it's not useful to play Glide games at solid frame rates.

My apologies for my bold replies back there, not really my intention to make you feel upset or so :)
It's that some years ago we just had a lot of nonsense posts and I mis-saw this as one of them, my bad for that, good luck with your experiments though, I am gonna stick to a real OS for my V5's. Win2K Pro + SP4 and nothing much else

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Edited by - Obi-Wan Kenobi on 28/01/2017 01:04:57
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jix-reggio
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France
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Posted - 28/01/2017 :  10:34:05  Show Profile  Visit jix-reggio's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I read on voodooalert.de website that a german user test it and explain that a pci-E converter is not necessary to run the V5.
Says he performs a very good 3dm2001 2800 score but not documented.
http://www.voodooalert.de/board/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=22482

Maybe some would like to see if unreleased cards could run in emulation mode.
My contribution is now over and I just wish some will enjoy V5 on Windows 10.

Edited by - jix-reggio on 28/01/2017 13:21:59
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feinripp
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Germany


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Posted - 30/01/2017 :  22:27:34  Show Profile  Visit feinripp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah, that was me.




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jix-reggio
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France
124 Posts

Posted - 31/01/2017 :  18:39:55  Show Profile  Visit jix-reggio's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Humm ...
It would have been be useful if you showed the result 'details' on 3dm2001 to see the score at each test and informations about your configuration hard and software.
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Spectrobozo
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Brazil
38 Posts

Posted - 19/10/2017 :  09:20:38  Show Profile  Visit Spectrobozo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
did anyone ever test this adapter? it's very cheap and claims 66MHz support

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PCI-E-Express-X1-to-Dual-PCI-Riser-Extend-Adapter-Card-with-1M-USB3-0-Cable/32781713997.html

Voodoo 4 4500 PCI
2x Monster 3d II 8mb
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