do these cards exist, and have they ever reached retail?
Yes the cards are existing, but they are only engineering samples from them.. None of both have reached retail ..
I dont know the V3-4000, but the V4-4800 exists, I have one...
The V3 4000 was a rumour. A Voodoo 3 with AGP 4x support. As we all know, there's no Voodoo with AGP 4x support.
The V4 4800 does exist like Rolo01 said.
Damn Rolo01, where do you get all those special cards? First the V5 5000 and now the V4 4800. Lucky bastard [:P]
ASUS P4S533 | Intel Pentium 4 2,261GHz | 512MB Samsung PC2700 DDR-SDRAM | Voodoo 5 5500 AGP
what's the difference between the v4 4500 and the 4800?
The Voodoo 4 4800 has the VSA-101 core, DDR-SDRAM memory and DVI and TV-Out. And it's only an engineering sample.
ASUS P4S533 | Intel Pentium 4 2,261GHz | 512MB Samsung PC2700 DDR-SDRAM | Voodoo 5 5500 AGP
is the core @ higher speed than the 4500? above 166mhz?
No, the VSA-101 cores actually run at 143MHz.
ASUS P4S533 | Intel Pentium 4 2,261GHz | 512MB Samsung PC2700 DDR-SDRAM | Voodoo 5 5500 AGP
dont forget that the 4800 is PCI instead of AGP, And there IS Voodoos with AGP 1.5V, few ones but they exist(some V4 & v5)!
Look at,
4 VOODOO3(4 MONKEY ASSED)
(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/amigamerlin/200373110518_DSCN3245.JPG)
who is the owner?
(AMIGAMERLIN) ;)
marvelous!
Don't think that's a Voodoo 3 based...
1) it has Aalchemy written on it...the Aalchemy system is based off of the VSA 100
2) AFAIK, q3d never used voodoo 3 chips (avenger)
3) there's a nice big Intel chip on the board, Voodoo 5 6k (1st revision?) anyone?
i think actually that q3d did use the avenger chips, and created sli with them
@ Knuckles
My V4-4800 actually is AGP 1.5V, but I also saw a PCI version on ebay a half year ago...
Hey that's an AAlchemy 4116. The smallest model with 4 Voodoo3 Chips and 16MB per Chip, so 64MB of memory. The design is great, the gpu's are mounted on the back to enable a better cooling.
Via the two LAN ports the card can be connected with other 4116 AAlchemy in SLI. Damn fast for a Voodoo3 but nothing compared to a AAlchemy 8164 with 8x VSAA-100 and 512MB.
< We`ll change the face of 3D graphics... again > 3dfx
Okay, here we go :
First image of my V4-4800...
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I thought there was only one type of V4 4800??? (PCI with VGA/TV/DVI)
QuoteOriginally posted by Rolo01
Okay, here we go :
First image of my V4-4800...
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hmm isn't that actually a 3dfx Voodoo4-2 4200 32MB DDR Daytona AGP???
Wasn't the 3dfx Voodoo4 4800 32MB a PCI card like the 4500 but with an extra TV-Out and DVI ?
Hmm, the card boots as Voodoo4-2 4800 with DDR, I thought the 4200 was the PCI version...
From what I know, the 4800 was PCI and had a TV-Out and a DVI connector.
But, I could be totally wrong about this. Maybe someone else knows for sure? Like Hank?
QuoteOriginally posted by Rolo01
Hmm, the card boots as Voodoo4-2 4800 with DDR, I thought the 4200 was the PCI version...
well yeah I may be mistaken but one thing is for sure this is a Daytona VSA-101 based card. What I thought is that this is the Voodoo4-2 4200 AGP and the other Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI. The Voodoo4 4800 PCI , well we all know it's just a normal Voodoo4 4500 PCI with an extra TV-out and DVI but of that version there is an AGP..and the funny thing is that they call it Voodoo4 4500 AGP 32MB DVI /TV-Out...or something like that in a strange way.
3dfx Voodoo4 4800 PCI 32MB:http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4800aMedium.jpeg
3dfx Voodoo4 4500 AGP 32MB +TV-Out & DVI:http://my.fit.edu/~mmok/Pics/voodoo4500agp.jpg
Ive seen these photo's in this topic:
http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=377&SearchTerms=Voodoo4,4800
correct me if I'm wrong :)
The photos you mentioned seem to be based on VSA-100 with normal SDRam.
The Voodoo4-2 4200 DDR looks like this:
(http://members.lycos.nl/pics3dfx/3dfx%20Pictures/3dfx%20Voodoo%204%204200%20PCI%20Daytona%201.jpg)
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Rolo01
The photos you mentioned seem to be based on VSA-100 with normal SDRam.
The Voodoo4-2 4200 DDR looks like this:
(http://members.lycos.nl/pics3dfx/3dfx%20Pictures/3dfx%20Voodoo%204%204200%20PCI%20Daytona%201.jpg)
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Okay but if you compare that 3dfx Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI DDR + DVI:
(http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/15969/full.jpg)
to this:
Voodoo4-2 4800 AGP 32MB DDR + TV-Out:
(http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/15396/full.jpg)
First image of my V4-4800 PCI 32MB DDR + TV-Out & DVI
(http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/15712/full.jpg)
You can clearly see that the layout of the VSA-101 and DDR mem is visually the same as your Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI.
Is there an explanation why that 3dfx would confuse these two cards by naming one of the Voodoo4-2 4200 DDR and the Other Voodoo4 4800 DDR?
Because it would be the way it is now, the Voodoo4 4800 PCI is nothing more than a Voodo4 4500 PCI with DVI an TV-Out, I mentioned that earlier in this topic.
So, what would be most clearly is - that the Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI is a PCI version of the Voodoo4-2 4200 and your example of the Voodoo4 4800 is actually an AGP version of the Voodoo4-2 4200...it does make more sense to me, if you look carefully at the layout of the two.
And for the Voodoo4 4800....well that is very logic I guess.
The Voodoo4 4800 PCI 32MB DVI + TV-Out, as we all know, is the only real Voodoo4 4800 there is, in my knowlage. And the Voodoo4 4500 AGP with DVI and TV-Out should be a resemblance of the Voodoo4 4800 AGP.
Normaly it would make more sense like this.
I hope you get an idea what I mean. And if you see it different, I'd like to hear you out!! :) May Hank know something on this one;) Let him share his word too. That means for everyone of couse [8D]
okay heres another strange card you have or havent seen it says in
the bios that its a voodoo 5 6000 and with certain drivers it will do
8 sample antiliasing.deffinetly a play toy for 3dfx engineers and is
32 meg of ram.you tell me what it is,by the way i used the wrong file
name .the card says its a voodoo 5 6000 with 32 meg sdram in the bios.
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we can't see the image, there should be a probem with the server. Please try it again, or you can send it also to my mail ( sloomy@lycos.com)
greetz
Voodoo 5 6000 with a total of 32megs of ram? Is that even possible? 8megs per VSA 100 chip? I don't even think 32megs if ebough for 2xAA let alone 4x and 8x...I think the tag may mean 32megs per chip, hence totalling up to 128mb...
...guess I can only wait for a pic...
there is one V5 6000 available on ebay..., 512$US after 20 bids and 6 days on 10 day listing, link :
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2766979177&category=40157
btw, 32MB on a V5 6k? sounds almost impossible...
the guy that sold the card said it was a voodoo 4 4500 test card and
it has a voodoo 5 6000 bios on it.
himm
It is possible, maybe they have used by driver development a Voodoo4 4500 engineering sample. The Voodoo5 6000 were too expensive and valuable for this.;)
Does the card have a DVI and S Video out ? Is it pci or agp `?
But a picture will be also very helpfull ? Have you sent it to my e mail ?
cheers
sloomy you have mail
you also , the e mail was emtpy, please try to send it again.
i will do my best :)
cheers
Here is the picture from recoton's cards. The card is a engineering sample, a beta version of a Voodoo4 4500 card. My theorie is maybe right, so they should just have tested their drivers on this card, before flashing it to a Voodoo5 6000.
(http://sloomy.100freemb.com/pictures/voodoorecoton.jpg)
Can everyone see the picture, because i have had some problems with that webspaceprovider.
cheers
no picture ;)
ok
I try it so, the card is the same as that card. Do someone has any information about the card ?
(http://digilander.libero.it/F1Land/3dfxarchive/download/media/gallery/v4-4500-pci-beta10.jpg)
Cheers
PS @recoton, sorry dude, but your picture don't allow to post themselfes ? [}:)]
QuoteOriginally posted by sloomy
ok
I try it so, the card is the same as that card. Do someone has any information about the card ?
(http://digilander.libero.it/F1Land/3dfxarchive/download/media/gallery/v4-4500-pci-beta10.jpg)
Cheers
PS @recoton, sorry dude, but your picture don't allow to post themselfes ? [}:)]
Well I do know what that is, it's a 3dfx Voodoo4 4500 PCI 32MB Prototype also known as an enginering sample of that type.
I thought that card was a V4-4000, but if it has 32 MB it is a V4-4500...
it does look like my card a guy on x3dfx has 1 similar but a different bios and im pretty sure mine doesnt have vsa 100 chip.
thanks for the help and information.:)
QuoteOriginally posted by Rolo01
I thought that card was a V4-4000, but if it has 32 MB it is a V4-4500...
well on the other hand you may be right ;) I compared the photo of that strange Voodoo4 PCI card:
(http://digilander.libero.it/F1Land/3dfxarchive/download/media/gallery/v4-4500-pci-beta10.jpg)
and the layout of my Voodoo4 4500 PCI 32MB does have similair looks, like the layout of the ram is the same the placement of those five chips above the PCI foot is the same only the VSA-100 it's self of this prototype is place abit more backward instead of the original Voodoo4 4500 PCI 32MB. And What also is noticable is it has entirely different condisators than the original 3dfx Voodoo4 4500 PCI 32MB Rev 3700 card I have.:
(http://home.wxs.nl/~geste069/GoT/GL_3dfx/13.jpg)
The CRT out put on this card is placed morely upper position than right at the bottom as where the CRT-Out is placed on the Original 4500 PCI's.
So this could be the only sample of the [8D] 3dfx Voodoo4 4000 PCI 16MB [8D] , but don't let is confuse you, because it may also be just an enginering sample of a 4500 PCI 32MB, just because they were trying to find out what the best layout was for this type of card.
It would be really cool if it is the Voodoo 4 4000 16 MB. But i'm afraid it isn't there has never been a picture of it before, so I doubt it. Also, there is a possibility that it is just a prototype of the Voodoo 4 4500 32 MB. Does anybody knows where this picture is from, or who owns the card? That should give any clearance. However, I do hope just as everybody here, it is an Voodoo 4 4000 16 MB...
(http://my.fit.edu/~mmichael/v4.bmp)
That's a beauty Lecram25! is it yours? if so I would like a little more info on what it really is .
A. Is it a 3dfx Voodoo4 4500 PCI 32MB Enginering Sample
of
B. Is it a 3dfx Voodoo4 4000 PCI 16MB Enginering Sample
If it is "A." it must be extreemly reae and it would be nice to own.
If it is "B." You must feel extreemly lucky to be the only owner in the world to have one of those, and yeah maybe a few benches would be nice and I would like to know what the Rev number and PCB number s too.
And hey if it isn't where did you get that photo of it, I am very intrested in this card like everyone else would be .;)
Actually, that's my card. It's a Voodoo 4 Engineering sample, with 32 megs of ram onboard. The Bios, on boot, says that it's a "Voodoo 5 6000 rev 0.28" I got it for about $50 on ebay over a year ago.
The card runs, but with graphical artifacts. I tried flashing it with a V4 4500 Bios at one point, but that made things worse, so I re-flashed it to the bios it had onboard.
Here are two more pictures:
(http://myst.no-ip.org:20000/images/3dfx/family.jpg)
(http://myst.no-ip.org:20000/images/3dfx/v4e/PICT0004.JPG)
I still have it... it sits in a drawer, along with my blank Voodoo 3 PCB.
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Edit:// Having just read through the rest of this thread, perhaps these lines from the 3dfx Source Code for BIOS stuff can help:
Sorry for the large size. The headers are as following:
Assy # | DWG # | Bus | RAM | Speed | TV | LCD | Product Name | BIOS Name | vgabios_opt = (Old build option scheme) | vgabios_opt=
(New build option scheme) | PCI Subsystem | DEVICE ID (PCI2C[31:16])
(http://kirby.colorado.edu/jrr/3dfx/voodoo4s.jpg)
Wow that's a real beauty Val Parthen! Please handle with care!
what's the Rev number? and PCB number:
an example, your Voodoo5 5500 PCI is a Rev 2900 A1
Rev A1 is readable on the top of the card just under the second VSA-100 en 2900 can be found some where on the back of the card which is printed in the PCB.
Would be nice to know the Rev Number of your Voodoo4 4500 PCI Prototype!
He knows how to read card revisions ;)
haha, it's a pretty neat thing to have around.
Looks like I've got this on the card: 210-0389-01-A1
And the ram, in case you were wondering, is 6ns hyundai ram: HY57V653220B
On the chip itself is:
500-0030-00
60467 SS
0001 20005
TAIWAN 18101
And in pencil, on the chip itself, it says "F51".
Enough #'s for ya? ;)
No rev number? Rev number should be four digits, ending with 00 most likely.
I didn't see any, but I didn't look too hard, either. I'll check again when I get home tonight (7:30 MST [GMT-7])
QuoteOriginally posted by lecram25
He knows how to read card revisions ;)
I was only being friendly and helpfull you know ;)
BTW I wonder what the speed os this baby is, just 166Mhz like any other Voodoo4 or is it 143Mhz?
Because then it could be a Voodoo4 4400 PCI 32MB @ 143 Mhz parallel :)
You might think where do I get that info from, in that List there is to be said that there is a Bios for the Voodoo4 4400 AGP, well I suppose that there also is a PCI version like I found out here:
Video section!
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/septemberdigest/
"3dfx answered GeForce2 MX by beginning the sales of Voodoo4 4500 AGP along with it's PC variant. But for $150 price of a medium GF2 MX card it gives lesser productivity and that puts it to not so good position. And even
Voodoo4 4400 - an OEM variant for $130 wouldn't be able to help, because GF2 MX cards aren't going to become more expensive too. And 183 MHz Voodoo3 from PowerColor just can't be serious competitor nowadays."
and here about the types: http://www.pcpop.com/News/2000/9/2860.shtml
"<> Voodoo4 4500 AGP / PCI ÉÏÊÐÖÐ
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Voodoo4 4400 AGP - µÚ 43/44 ÖÜ(Ö»ÓÐÉ¢×°Æ·£¬ÊÛ¼ÛÔ¼ $100)"
So there has been a resemblance of the hard to be heard "Voodoo4 4400"
I wonder if this Engineering sample of the Voodoo4 would of been the Voodoo4 4400.
I'll suppose we'll never know, the original Voodoo4 4500 PCI looks abit like it, but the differences are noticable:
(http://members.lycos.nl/pictures3dfx/3dfx%20Voodoo%204%204500%20PCI%20Front.jpg)(http://digilander.libero.it/F1Land/3dfxarchive/download/media/gallery/v4-4500-pci-beta10.jpg)Anyway here is a guy that admits he played UT2K3 on a Voodoo4 4400 PCI:
http://www.ut2k3.net/voodoo4.php
There actually is no model number on the card. I just gave it another once-over, and, well, nope.
I haven't booted it in a while, but I should givei t a try sometime and see what I can do.
There might be no number. The important things 3dfx printed on the card is Rev A1, that sais it's still a prototype, Rev B would be the final card. As far as I know about 3 of the yellow boards are existing and that are just prototypes / early models of the V4 4500.
If it's clockes at 143MHz it sais nothing, most of the early engineering samples using vsa-100 chips are clocked at that speed.
A number (like 3700)is not the revision, that's printed by the factory and is no 3dfx marking. It says something about the production date.
that's right, 3700 means that the card was produced in week 37 of the year 2000
My Voodoo5 5500 PCI 64MB Rev 2900 A1, could also be a prototype then, or not? Because has A1 on it instead of Rev 2900 B?
anyways, 2900 means that it was produced in week 29 of the year 2000.
Like my Velocity 100 AGP 8MB SGRAM , that card is a Rev 3399 A0, it has been produced in week 33 of the year 1999 ;)