Here's what's happening. I built a new Pentium 4 system and my Voodoo 5 5500 AGP will not work. I know this so I asked my friend to give me his Voodoo 5 5500 PCI. I put it in but it will not go past the Voodoo5 5500 PCI Version 1.11 screen. Everything should be fine considering he pulled the card out one of his working systems. This may be poorly written because I'm in a rush but.. I'd appriciate any help, thanks.
Hooked up the power connector?
Pushed the card tightly in the PCI slot?
Monitor okay?
Yes, everything should be fine. I even moved it to a different PCI slot.
The card I was using before is a Voodoo Banshee.
My motherboard is a ABIT SG-72 with a SiS661FX chipset.
I'm using a 400 watt PSU at the moment. The only thing I'm curious about is the onboard video, could this be a possible problem? It seems I should have said all of this at once lol, sorry.
Please, does anybody have any ideas? I need to get this card working.
Does the BIOS have an option for booting from AGP or PCI, if so make sure it is set to the correct type.
SFFT
I'm not aware if it does or not but I do not think it's relevant. The card I used before installed the Voodoo 5 5500 is a Voodoo Banshee PCI. It worked fine. I'll look, though.
QuoteThe only thing I'm curious about is the onboard video
Can you disable the onboard video ?
I cannot figure out how to disable onboard video. There is something in BIOS called Init Display First though, it's set to PCI Slot.
Voodoo5 5500 - Version 1.11
Copyright © 1990-2000 Elpin Systems, Inc.
All rights reserved.
3dfx Interactive, Inc.
Total SDRAM Video Memory Size: 65536K.
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^That's what it hangs on for eternity.
In device manager the onboard video location is PCI bus 1, device 0, function 0.
Hum, a banshee pci works but not a 5500 pci ?
What happens exactly once your system booted and you saw the "Voodoo5 5500 - Version 1.11... 65536K.
I have seen a Voodoo 5500 AGP hang showing the copyright message. but it was down to me having changed the mouse and keyboard (long story invoving a KVM switch). I would check unrelated things to see everything is ok. It might be worth re-installing the banshee to make sure that the machine still boots with the banshee. If it doesn't work with the banshee back in then you have a wierd problem that is not related to the 5500. This might sound a bit strange but this approach fixed my hanging at the BIOS problem with my 5500, it proved to be unrelated to the 5500.
SFFT
QuoteMy motherboard is a ABIT SG-72 with a SiS661FX chipset
I read the manual and i see "nothing special"
Try to start with only the gfx card in the machine, no sound card, no network card...
And try again the Banshee as SFFT said.
QuoteOriginally posted by Nightbird
Hum, a banshee pci works but not a 5500 pci ?
What happens exactly once your system booted and you saw the "Voodoo5 5500 - Version 1.11... 65536K.
Well, nothing happens at all. It acts as if it normally would except it doesn't go any further.
QuoteOriginally posted by SuperFurryFurryThing
I have seen a Voodoo 5500 AGP hang showing the copyright message. but it was down to me having changed the mouse and keyboard (long story invoving a KVM switch). I would check unrelated things to see everything is ok. It might be worth re-installing the banshee to make sure that the machine still boots with the banshee. If it doesn't work with the banshee back in then you have a wierd problem that is not related to the 5500. This might sound a bit strange but this approach fixed my hanging at the BIOS problem with my 5500, it proved to be unrelated to the 5500.
SFFT
This is a good idea. I will try this shortly.
Okay now this is confusing. Out of frustration I put both cards in. With the Banshee in the Voodoo5 would not display. So, I had the monitor hooked up to the Banshee. Everything went fine until I got to the user accounts screen in Windows. The Banshee quit displaying so, I plugged the monitor into the onboard video. Here's what's in Device Manager.
(http://home.comcast.net/~xcyberx/DMDA.gif)
Also, the Banshee works. I tried it before what I did above.
Wait, i'm confused also now.
You have 3 gfx cards in your device manager ?
That would be a good thing if you remove the "banshee".
No, I couldn't get it to work so I put both in lol. The Banshee has been out of my system for awhile.
Either way, when I plugged my monitor into the Voodoo5 it wouldn't work. I do not know what to do now. I'm going to check if there's a bios update for my motherboard. I put the Voodoo5 in one of my older systems and it worked. I'm trying to reject the notion that the Voodoo5 is not going to work with this motherboard.
I have the latest BIOS release for my motherboard. I'm kind of at my wit's end here. Completely stumped.
classic problem. the onboard video needs to be disabled OR you run the monitor from the onboard, get into the video setup in windows, and make the voodoo card the PRIMARY video and the onboard the SECONDARY video. then just "turn off" the onboard video in windows. you will need to load one of the XP capable drivers from this here site before you will be able to set your primary and secondary things properly though....... use the onboard video to load the drivers so you can see what's going on, eventually you will get to the point that the V5 is the only one active in windows. keep trying, it will work.
QuoteOriginally posted by bloodworm
classic problem. the onboard video needs to be disabled OR you run the monitor from the onboard, get into the video setup in windows, and make the voodoo card the PRIMARY video and the onboard the SECONDARY video. then just "turn off" the onboard video in windows. you will need to load one of the XP capable drivers from this here site before you will be able to set your primary and secondary things properly though....... use the onboard video to load the drivers so you can see what's going on, eventually you will get to the point that the V5 is the only one active in windows. keep trying, it will work.
Thank you for your reply. Could you elaborate more? By the way, when I have the power hooked up to the Voodoo5 it'll hang on copyright.
The only way I've been able to get into Windows with the card actually running was when the Banshee was also in. When I disable the onboard video from device manager I still can't use the card. I've been looking for how to completely disable it.
It's not really hanging, it's just that windows doesn't know what to do with the V5 and won't initialize it any further untill you get some drivers installed. WinXP has NO drivers for the V5 untill you install them and hence it won't go into dual monitor mode untill you do get the drivers installed. also, have you gone to SP2 yet? this will help with drivers a bit. since you have two video cards installed, WinXP is forced into dual monitor support mode. get into winxp with the other video source (the onboard video) and install your V5 drivers (with the card physically installed of course). reboot (this may not be needed in XP) and things should go smoothly from then on. if you don't have sp2 installed yet, then your V5 drivers may not get installed at all since WinXP keeps "unsigned" drivers from installing without some kind of intervention. I just changed my driver.cab file name to driver .txt and got it to install that way.
I tried the dual display thing. As of right now the card is working. I cannot remove the Banshee. When I do remove the Banshee the computer hangs on the Voodoo5 copyright. Either way I guess I cannot complain, it's working. I have the Banshee and onboard video disabled in Device Manager. I have the latest Amigamerlin drivers installed. Thank you all for the help.
There is something I feel I should mention though. In the Adapter tab for the Voodoo5 5500 PCI it says Bios Information: SECONDARY DEVICE -- NO ROM ALLOWED.
Hmmmmm. you really need to get that primary video disabled on the motherboard somehow. what video BIOS are you running on the V5? 1.11? I think there is a later version for the PCI?
Try to do like written here :
https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/voodoo3/faq/2k3k.htm#q25
QuoteSECONDARY DEVICE -- NO ROM ALLOWED.
The card is setup like a second adapter.
A second monitor ?
QuoteOriginally posted by Nightbird
QuoteSECONDARY DEVICE -- NO ROM ALLOWED.
The card is setup like a second adapter.
A second monitor ?
The Voodoo5 5500 is my primary right now.
(http://home.comcast.net/~xcyberx/V5500-1.gif)
(http://home.comcast.net/~xcyberx/V5500-2.gif)
QuoteOriginally posted by bloodworm
Hmmmmm. you really need to get that primary video disabled on the motherboard somehow. what video BIOS are you running on the V5? 1.11? I think there is a later version for the PCI?
I'm using 1.11. I don't know how to change them.
Did you try to do like here explained ?
https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/voodoo3/faq/2k3k.htm#q25
can you also remove the drivers for the Sis gfx card ?
what card is on your secondary monitor now ?
have you tried hook the monitor on the onboard and start the machine with V5 5500?
usually it should be auto select like my old case (V4 4500PCI + SiS 661FX)...but if it does not, you have to manually disable the onboard with turning its shared memory to the minimum
also set the "init. display first" to PCI <-- seems you have done that
If I remember right, but this is from looooong time ago, I have disabled the on board VGA in the Device Manager. Open display adapters, right click on the undesired VGA adapter and disable.
Hank
I read through the whole discussion, but not once you have mentioned the manufacturer and model of the mother board!! Kinda hard to help with the problem,
Hank
ABIT SG-72 with a SiS661FX chipset
I have checked with ABIT, they have done on board VGA disable only on AGP card insert, and did not provide VGA boot order in BIOS. Very sloppy of them.
You are right, V5 BIOS must complete some initialization, because it is missing from the driver. We had to do a patch in one situation to partialy boot a VGA device and return control to on board VGA, to get the device stable. There is no way you can do that by yourself.
The only way to fix this is for ABIT to add the 2 missing BIOS features back in.
Hank
QuoteThe only way to fix this is for ABIT to add the 2 missing BIOS features back in
Hum, the last bios for this mobo is rather recent : 02/15/2005.
Perhaps Abit can improve the situation in a "next" bios ?
I'm sorry for not posting anything. I've been ill.
Interesting. Thank you all for your time. If ABIT were to add the features in the next release that will be good.
I sent an email to Abit (with what Hank explained, thks to you :)) and i received an answer
Pretty fast
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Dear ABIT customer,
Many thanks for mailing us and the mail had been under processing now.
We will answer back ASAP
ABIT Customer Care Center
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Don't know if Abit will improve the bios but we will have tried ;)
without forgotting that would be useful for others gfx cards pci.